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Originally Posted by SloppyJoe (Post 10117134)

No I don't think they are. It is a renewable agreement, they were going to change it but backed down due to the threat of trainers resigning. ARAPA is now, this very minute, amenable by CX, this KA offer is no different. If they went back to the old ways, where rent can be paid to your company, they may be onto something as the tax saving makes up for the shortfall, win win however is not in their interest for some reason unfortunately.

ARAPA is an agreement by its very definition.

However, the contract to provide adequate housing is also by its definition, contractual.
A contract that has similar wording with CX, KA, Swire Hong Kong, Swire Properties, Swire bottling, Swire Shipping etc (not to mention all the CX based crew who will also need their contracts altered when they return to HK). It would be extremely difficult for management to argue why there should be an outlier. That’s not to say that a manager on Swire HK housing allowance isn’t naive enough to try to argue why his housing is more contractual than someone else’s.
They like to employ suicidal middle managers. It’s like a cult.

Mmmhh

Back in the good ole days I didn’t complain about A scale captains making an annual SO salary worth in overtime every 2nd month.

The 4th house? Not me

That free training and that widebody jet SJS must have worn off and now it is everyone else's fault.

Please tell me what we can do against DEFOS. Don’t give them any sectors?

The hiring of DEFO is permissable in the COS and for once CX has actually abided by their own rules. It is **** and it sucks but please don’t forget that many of us also got shafted by ASL or DEFOs.

Either hang in there or look for another job.

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Originally Posted by backtothegrindstone (Post 10116832)

Wait until they attack your housing !!!! I for one was a “stupid” Cadet that was fighting for your housing last December...... but now you can forget it.
Take it from me- all SO’s are the same. We have forfeited everything, money, upgrade times while you guys complain about selling your 4th house.
You have not shown support for us while DEFO come in and we get delayed. No ASR-F filled in on 2 SO’s flights. Well done on protecting us. Goodbye housing

Lets be realistic

Actually the RPs are the only thing that really unite us otherwise every pilot is after something else (Arapa, bases, Hkpa, fleet change etc.)

The AOA is trying very hard to get something done but the latest management letter shows that the gloves are still not off.

Looks like it will take a while for substantial improvements of HKPA.

Every pilot evaluates the same question: "can I afford to PROPERLY support a family in HK". Needless to say, the realisation that there is NO CHANCE of ever affording a proper home in HK is sobering, and leads to the decision that staying with CX is not viable. Further negative rhetoric from management only helps solidify that conclusion.

CX management only cares about their short-term bonuses, as they will move onto the next Swire job. They surely don't really care about the long-term viability of CX, as that would only compromise their own bonus potential.

There is NO hope for this airline with the current management structure.