Arapa extension
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From: Jacksonville
Arapa extension
This is the first time in a long time that Swire management has blinked. It goes to show that while they’re willing to cut their nose off to spite their face, they are not willing to go down the thermonuclear path of mutually assured destruction.
Hold the line!
Hold the line!
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From: Vancouver
Time to tighten up on CC and TB and not fly if stressed or unfit. Your professional and legal responsibility.
A short sharp lesson, perhaps over a 24 hour period might bring senior management to their senses or have them replaced with professional managers tasked with turning the company around rather than just propping up their own bonuses.
Swires would have no hesitation in firing the whole lot of them if it protected the share price and their reputation in Beijing and London.
A short sharp lesson, perhaps over a 24 hour period might bring senior management to their senses or have them replaced with professional managers tasked with turning the company around rather than just propping up their own bonuses.
Swires would have no hesitation in firing the whole lot of them if it protected the share price and their reputation in Beijing and London.
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From: London
I'm not convinced this wasn't a deliberate ploy. Make us think how 'reasonable' they are, at the same time slapping all the Captains in the face and running off with our money. They are not reasonable, nor moral. It's time to show them that we are done being mistreated. To each Captain: what are YOU doing this coming holiday season?
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It’s deliberate alright... they tested the waters by cancelling arapa and then intimating $30,000 as adequate, and then they got scared... that’s why they’re stepping back from the brink...
We can play the same game! Those TC’s and STC’s that are going to resign anyway, save your letters.... tell the aoa your intentions... then the aoa coordinate them sending the company their letters in batches as and when they see fit as a response when there is further unilateral action on management’s part.
Hold the line!
We can play the same game! Those TC’s and STC’s that are going to resign anyway, save your letters.... tell the aoa your intentions... then the aoa coordinate them sending the company their letters in batches as and when they see fit as a response when there is further unilateral action on management’s part.
Hold the line!
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From: HK-CRoC
Extension
I love this extension...
It takes some of the pressure off myself, and I'm sure many others, allowing more time for the evaluation and selection process of "who my next employer will be".
I'm done with the "Leadership" turds (and their 3rd floor worshipers) at CX and it's great to have more time to make suitable "relocation" plans..
Thank you AT !
To all my colleagues, in regard the current batch of nomadic Swire Prince n Princesses, "Forgive Them For They Know Not What They Do"
It takes some of the pressure off myself, and I'm sure many others, allowing more time for the evaluation and selection process of "who my next employer will be".
I'm done with the "Leadership" turds (and their 3rd floor worshipers) at CX and it's great to have more time to make suitable "relocation" plans..
Thank you AT !
To all my colleagues, in regard the current batch of nomadic Swire Prince n Princesses, "Forgive Them For They Know Not What They Do"
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From: az
This was a deliberate act....... make deliberate decisions!! To convert this into a policy instead of an agreement is the same thing that they wanted to do with rostering practices. If we accept it the way it is, they will use the fact that we went along with it for a year to show that we do not disagree with the ability for the company to turn it into a policy...... and for them to unilateral make the policy.
kind of sucks. However, like the previous poster, this allows those on the expat housing time to find other jobs. This is what AT wants so they can get the cheap C scales working through the ranks. Say goodbye to bases with the company dictating housing policy.
kind of sucks. However, like the previous poster, this allows those on the expat housing time to find other jobs. This is what AT wants so they can get the cheap C scales working through the ranks. Say goodbye to bases with the company dictating housing policy.
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From: the land of chocolate
Extension of arapa is a good idea for cx, if they had cancelled it, especially after the lack of a 13th month, we would probably have seen a mass resignation of the checkers and trainers.
Aoa leadership on providing these people with some sort of guarantee that they can have their training/checking positions back first before anyone else is still sorely lacking.
With any luck we will be in profitability again next year, making all this cost-cutting no longer a necessity.
Aoa leadership on providing these people with some sort of guarantee that they can have their training/checking positions back first before anyone else is still sorely lacking.
With any luck we will be in profitability again next year, making all this cost-cutting no longer a necessity.
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From: HK
Thing is, by blinking, they have opened Pandora's box. If the argument for restructuring ARAPA was to bring it in line with what 'the market' is for C scale/ HKAPA, then by delaying it for a year, the obvious counter is that HKAPA should be increased to ARAPA...
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From: Hong Kong
Extension of arapa is a good idea for cx,
I just received something forwarded to me explaining that this "extension" has some subtle differences to the arapa policy regarding being contractual vs company policy, and if we simply accept it then we could potentially acquiesce to housing becoming pure policy at the sole discretion of the company.
Tread carefully. We may need to formally notify the company that we reserve our position regarding or COS housing clause
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From: Rabbit Hutch
KA indicator
KA have today given an indication of where housing is heading. Of course they aren't being straight as usual.
One time offer, expression of interest etc.
Indicative range is $57-60k/month cash allowance for those willing to sign away their rights to expat housing/ rental scheme, it is also subject to further considerations and change.
One time offer, expression of interest etc.
Indicative range is $57-60k/month cash allowance for those willing to sign away their rights to expat housing/ rental scheme, it is also subject to further considerations and change.
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From: Hong Kong
Wait until they attack your housing !!!! I for one was a “stupid” Cadet that was fighting for your housing last December...... but now you can forget it.
Take it from me- all SO’s are the same. We have forfeited everything, money, upgrade times while you guys complain about selling your 4th house.
You have not shown support for us while DEFO come in and we get delayed. No ASR-F filled in on 2 SO’s flights. Well done on protecting us. Goodbye housing
Take it from me- all SO’s are the same. We have forfeited everything, money, upgrade times while you guys complain about selling your 4th house.
You have not shown support for us while DEFO come in and we get delayed. No ASR-F filled in on 2 SO’s flights. Well done on protecting us. Goodbye housing
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From: Hong Kong
Let me guess...subject to further consideration and change at the Company’s sole discretion?
Ya, sure, sign me up.
Good news is that by making such an offer they are acknowledging that they can’t change a longstanding policy without your signature...
Ya, sure, sign me up.
Good news is that by making such an offer they are acknowledging that they can’t change a longstanding policy without your signature...
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From: HKG
No I don't think they are. It is a renewable agreement, they were going to change it but backed down due to the threat of trainers resigning. ARAPA is now, this very minute, amenable by CX, this KA offer is no different. If they went back to the old ways, where rent can be paid to your company, they may be onto something as the tax saving makes up for the shortfall, win win however is not in their interest for some reason unfortunately.