... and therein lies the problem.

No, the two bucket rule if expat.

Two buckets, one of annoyance, one of cash. When either is full. quit

New Caledonia?

Unfortunately, it seems now the bucket of brown stuff is always going to fill faster than the bucket of glittery stuff. And quite fast at that!

Scary,
another 3 US based FO have left.
At this pace Cx will shut down

The 3 months is up just after Christmas though I know it's still a ways off. Can the AOA release the new B scale housing numbers from the company before then please.
Most of us have done our calculations and we'd like to see what the new package is. Can't see it changing between now and then and I appreciate all the AOA has done for us so far.

C'mon CX doesn't make any moves until they have planned, thought it out, and planned some more. They already know what the amount will be. I bet a month's housing allowance, that CX won't release the actual figures for the reduced housing terms until AFTER peak Christmas/New Year's rush. If you guys wait until then, you will have no leverage. It will really be too late.

No worries Amber. I, and many many of my colleagues are not 'waiting' until after the holidays. We all realise that it is imperative to cause maximum pain between now and then. It is obvious the company is waiting to see how we react in order to determine how they act. If we do nothing, they will hit us with the maximum cuts. If we demonstrate the value of our goodwill, but withdrawing it and disrupting the operation, then they will have to think twice about embarking on any action. There really is NO choice but for all of us to take individual action, which collectively will take the operation down. Much like the pilots are doing now at Ryanair. We all know what we HAVE to do.

Does anyone know of anyone who has anyone left / handed in their notice as a result of all this? I'm no longer at Cathay, but from what I'm hearing it seems a total sh1t show.
Or is everyone going to stay still and soak up whatever they offer?

Air Profit, et als., IMHO the only thing they will understand is a disruption to their operation or anything that will make their stakeholders nervous. You all have inherent value and tremendous strength in numbers. You have the ability to fight back WITH RESULTS if you internalise this. I know what happened the last time there was an undertaking of this nature. However, if the pilot group had just stood their ground, they would have prevailed in the end. What was CX going to do? Continue firings en masse until no one was left to fly their planes? Of course not. I'm sure they will attempt this again because it worked so well in the past and had a lasting impact. However, if you stand your ground and don't capitulate when they try to intimidate you, you will prevail. They ultimately need people to fly their planes and they can't commit murder/suicide. Then, when they choose to negotiate in earnest, you can stipulate that they bring everyone back that they fired during this time period before any negotiations can take place.

This really is the only way you will get results. I don't make light of how difficult this would be in terms of stress and uncertainty. It's a real gut check. I call it the pucker factor. I think you will accomplish positive change if you hold your ground.

Rhetorical question alert. Why would a CX 777 Skipper leave?
Still getting Schooling in CX
Still will get housing in CX
Still will have an easy roster in CX

China, LOL
Ryanair?

The choice is small. The disruption of leaving is greater than the stress of staying for the golden handcuff brigade.

talk on PPRUNE, well that cost nuffin. Get it outta the system on here.
Then suck it up?

Who took the commands of the 49'ers after they were fired? Yep Goathead et al.
Stand your ground I hear Traf say. Yeah right.

Troll alert. Ignore.

Ignore the truth?

That's what got you in this mess to begin with.

For gods sake, stand up for yourselves for once in your lives!!!

What I was alluding to was the fact that the AOA have known the new amounts for a while but have decided to continue dialogue with the company rather than tell their membership.

I'd actually at this point like to know what the company is offering. I'm more than happy for the AOA to try to better it but I'd like to know what it is.

Morningcoffee. The "AOA" is not going to "better" the amounts. Only the members can do that, through an individually but collectively strategic plan to cause maximum disruption to the operation over the next 90 days. If you aren't already planning when you are feeling unwell and unfit, then please, don't bother complaining. ALL of us MUST stand up to them now. They are waiting to see how we react. We must give them a taste of their own medicine...for once!! If you go to work, put up with the crap and then see your entire career value stripped away, then you will only have yourself to blame. It's time to fight for what is left of this career. Otherwise there will be NO career to speak of. You will be nothing more than a rolling 3-month contract pilot.

I wonder what the trainers would do if management cuts a deal with them and keeps them on full housing while they reduce it for everyone else.

...worth a read:

"How do you get loyalty from the people who work for you. You treat them with respect, you are grateful for the time and effort they put in for you, you praise them and care about them as people and you protect them, you make sure their working conditions are suitable and safe and you pay them a decent wage so they can look after themselves and their families. There's probably loads more. Mr Oleary and others take note."

Division is exactly what CX wants. Everytime you have a go at each other, they delight in the knowledge that the intimidation tactics they used the last time around worked so well and had such a lasting impact. You have to put aside hard feelings and focus on the issue at hand. Don't allow yourselves to be distracted and divided. It's what they want!

Too true Amber. We need to all stick together, cripple the operation and re-establish a proper balance between employer and employee. If we don’t do it now , there is NO CAREER left at CX. Besides, who here could stand to see such a creature as AT win the war? You know what you have to do. For the sake of your careers, your families and your integrity and pride.

December will prove a very difficult time for the traveling public. You can forward any enquiries to Anna. She can explain why most of her pilots are not fit for duty. Something regarding concern and worry about their finances and families.....