https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytMXSLeqFMY

as a history lesson this is how LKY handled the SQ pilots.

If you are an expat in Hong Kong, I assume your residence permit is tied to your job ? At least the Aussies could sit at home and wait, where as you’d get a couple of weeks to pack up and go. Does anyone fancy paying for their own accommodation and living expenses if you try to wait it out with no pay or benefits ? I doubt the company would be flying you and your family home in business class either.

Disruption to the Hong Kong economy would have you viewed as “enemies of the people”. Air China could be asked to step in by the government, and even if they had to cancel other flights, the capacity would be found to make an example of you and deter industrial militancy in other sectors. Western pilots winning would cause loss of face which can’t be allowed to happen.

Former CX pilots would also be likely to be blacklisted from future employment in China in the event of a mass resignation.

Leave if you want, but have another job lined up. Monarch going bust has put a large number of pilots onto the job market who are concerned about the next mortgage payment and can’t afford to be too fussy about terms and conditions, don’t end up like them.

Best of luck, we all hope you win.

However, already passed this with HKAPA. Just applying it to more crew

Do you imagine a Monach 50 year old Captain flying as an SO in CX, I doubt it.

China needs so many Captains that Spring Air only would take them all.
Bonus they would be able to commute and won’t have to move the family.

LKY was a tyrant and Singapore was and still is a dictatorship. So is SQ.

LKY was successful because he was a tyrant and Singapore was and still is a dictatorship. So is SQ.

This is how China Airlines staff dealt with their issues.

https://youtu.be/i6lNj5D2G50

Do you imagine a 50 year old Monarch Captain flying as a Captain in Cathay if the union gets taken down ?

Australia introduced provision in the regs to enable quick replacement of pilots in the event of another 1989.

And somewhat ironically, I recall Monarch was one of the airlines who Ansett dragged in to break the dispute.

I think too many guys are getting hot under the collar. Yes the housing for CX ( and ultimatly KA) will be reduced for B scalers. However, it wont happen overnight and a grandfather right for perhaps 2 or 3 years will be inplace to allow reconfiguration of mortgages and/ or current leases.

After that, then its over to 30k a month ( or 21k if you are a KA FO !)

Or 14k for a CX FO

What are CX actually offering instead of ARAPA?

Presumably HKAPA, as that has been shown to be enough to provide housing, from CX point of view

I think this is why Saudia built Saudia City--in addition to keep expats from mingling with the locals. Crazy thing, it was seniority based for the entire airline company, so you could have a guy who ordered desks and supplies for the airline owned elementary school with 25 years in to the company living in a furnished multi-story detached house and a new joiner pilot living in an HK-sized flat. Single stewardesses were stuffed into one corner of the complex and not allowed to show their faces. Imagine this scenario in HK.

History aside, I really wonder what this will do to prices in Tung Chung and DB. And I agree that CX is using the SCMP (or New China Daily as it seems now) to win publicity against the pilots. Many expats do not receive housing any more and will have little sympathy for those that do and have it cut. They are counting on continued goodwill from most of the pilot group, it is so obvious from the quotes in the news. So, if industrial action is taken, and holiday plans are ruined or jeopardized, the majority of the public is already against you and will turn on you even more. Honestly, the only road I see for you is broad industrial action; media interviews that do not draw on sympathy, but rather emphasizes the talent you bring to the airline and HK implied safety risks should that talent pool leave to any significant percentage. Seriously, a pilot rep should be on BBG, CNBC, TVB, RTHK, in the Standard, Op-Ed for SCMP, at least a few times a week.

Why do we care what the public thinks? It has absolutely no bearing on anything.

so how much is HKAPA? I'm KA...

Don't sell yourselves short. It's the guys in renters at $100k that there after. Knock it down to $70 and they have there 30%.

If everyone gets put on $30. Very few B scale will stay. Cx / ka can't handle that many walkouts.

HKPA is 10 for SO JFO,
14 for FO,
18 for SFO,
24 for Capt,
30 for Senior Capt

Senior Capt 7+ 36,000HKD

Housing was put forth to entice expats since HK lacked an aviation community. And lets face it HK isn't what it used to be, you really need to pay for the talent. Why need housing allowance when you're hiring mostly locals who will take anything as the other alternative is to work for a bank and get paid peanuts and NO HOUSING. Housing will soon be a relic of the past once every pilot is a local.