Emerging KA Crewing Crisis And Contact Compliance?
At a time when the DPA is preparing the membership for Contract Compliance due emerging attacks on the COS, can anybody believe today's correspondence from management ? A crewing crisis so deep we may need to reduce flying or hope Direct Entry Captains join and can pass a fickle command course.
The place is being held together by good will and G day workers. A cataclysm without logic ? Time for Plan B. |
There is healthy demand for A320 Captains worldwide.
Why would they choose KA? That is what they will be asking themselves. |
I have a friend that just went there. He seems happy after leaving a north american feeder. Is it really that bad? He has me thinking about going there for a good pay and quick upgrade
|
The threat of DEC coming at KA would not be a motive for contract compliance if they were hired on short term contract to bridge the gap between permanent contract KA pilots being ready for the left seat and our need of expension.
But, all that expension is done in order to attack CX pilot contracts and when they are finished with them our turn will be coming. We are now helping management stop expat housing at CX by training their pilots and when that housing is finished at CX we won't keep ours for long. DPA and AOA must fight what's coming together and what's coming is a good motive for contract compliance. |
Willing to fly, you would be joining us on a standard contract that would give you same money as a DEC contract 1 Month ON/OFF in China, if you have no interest in time OFF and love to study FCOMs for eventually failing your command, KA is for you!
|
The DPA would ultimately have to sanction any DEC, or more than likely a rapid promotion agreement. Like when the dragonair freighter skippers went to CX. Joined as FOs but sat in the LHS throughout.
The A320 line trainers would presumably be happy to carry out any new DEC 's training. The KA trainig department said diddley squat about the numerous CX crew upgraders they've handled. Nothing we can do , its legal they bleated. BS guys, n you know it ! If there actually was a training culture at KA, then many of the guys who have missed out on command would be happy to put their names forward. Considerable numbers were A320//737 skippers before they joined KA. However , alot have no interest in subjecting themselves to the humiliation of another failure at the hands of a the egotistical A320 lynch mob. I would imagine that any DEC would be directly supervised by management checkers. With Monarch Airlines on the brink and Air Berlin not far behind, theres no shortage of desperadoes. D scale anyone? |
It would probably be better for the company to ask why FO's don't want to attempt the KA command course and address that issue. Unless this is an excuse to bring CX pilots over to take commands.
|
The issue is simple. Line pilots, especially FOs, are slack and lazy. Managements are always doing the right stuff, and are trying to HELP! :D
And high passing rate? The maths is simple. Either a big nominator or a small denominator. |
Originally Posted by bacou
(Post 9908338)
Willing to fly, you would be joining us on a standard contract that would give you same money as a DEC contract 1 Month ON/OFF in China, if you have no interest in time OFF and love to study FCOMs for eventually failing your command, KA is for you!
I don't think China is an option for me without narrowbody PIC. So until then I'm looking for a decent place to park myself and live further than spitting distance from the poverty line. What's with "eventually failing your command course?" Also, what's this about current FO's not willing to attempt the command course? |
There is a general malaise among FO's about enrolling in the command training course offered by KA. The failure rate of the PCE (pre command evaluation) is high. Command courses usually have 1 or 2 candidates on them, as most withdraw their bids after the PCE experience. The company say pass rates are high, but its based on a small base of pilots actually starting their command training.
To add salt to the wounds, a failure at any time requires sin bin time of around 1-2 years depending on availiability of the ticks in boxes :ugh: |
Big picture stuff... Who believes it is just a coincidence that they want to have the unions allow DEC on the eve of potentially the biggest industrial showdown in the groups history? If the pilot body allows DEC, who is prepared to wager that the "new contracts" wont follow very soon after, and we have just stupidly given them the green light to replace us immediately with DECs if we don't sign? You seriously think this is just about a handful of FOs who don't want to subject themselves to a command course???? We have no new routes pending, the 321s START coming in 3 years, is no one else just the least bit suspicious of this "sudden" urgency? Blind Freddy could see the real reason for the need for DECs. It is to replace the B scalers who don't agree to the new lower deal on the way.
|
You get 13th month always
You get staff travel seniority on CX to the detriment of CX crew You're soon to get seniority to bid for bases on CX aircraft All of which you've achieved without the DPA consulting with the AOA Let's see where this all goes |
The 13 month was negotiated “away” by the AOA and included in salary.
|
I hear from ears in the UK that KA are circling around the imminent carcass of Monarch UK. Perhaps a deal for wet leases ?
Who knows. But there will be a few hundred A320 skippers floating around after the sunday midnight CAA ATOL withdrawal. No more crewing crisis @ KA! |
Then they can be fast tracked FOs and take a slot in seniority. No need for DECs, whats the hurry? First 321 is mid 2020, plenty of time for the Monarch guys to be lobotomised and realise you cant live in HK on the money. DECs will only be used against us industrially, or as a band aid approach to fixing the problem that is the 2 big gorillas in the room,
1, "WHY IS IT LESS THAN 12 MONTHS TO COMMAND WHEN WE HAD NO NEW ROUTES, (in fact dropping destinations) AND NO NEW AIRCRAFT COMING FOR 3 YEARS? 2. WHY IS THE LEAVING LIST LONGER THAN THE JOINING LIST?" Neither of these reasons are reasons for us to bend over and accept DECs, they are a Trojan Horse industrially that will be used against us when they come after housing. Purely and simply. |
KA is suffering from a 100% MANAGEMENT induced crewing crisis..
Some management jackass with a spreadsheet years back decided on a crewing plan that would save huge bucks. Now, that manager is probably gone with his monster "great idea" year end bonus and guess what's happened.. His short term save big bucks get huge bonus plan has collapsed.. What a surprise... And in perfect Swire MO, take a wild guess who is getting the blame ? It's those nasty pilots again ! Sadly this is as predictable as the sun coming up in the East.. |
Staggers, lost 2 ports in Japan, so that nulifies KUL expansion crew wise surely. 5 330s, yes, but we have seen 1? growth of what, 2%? Hardly constitutes DEC in my humble opinion.
|
Originally Posted by morningcoffee
(Post 9910469)
You get 13th month always
You get staff travel seniority on CX to the detriment of CX crew You're soon to get seniority to bid for bases on CX aircraft All of which you've achieved without the DPA consulting with the AOA Let's see where this all goes I will be very glad to see such comment if I am the management. Even before the management takes the sword out. The two groups just can't wait to KO each other. Can we identify the real one to tackle, please? Unless you're the one who is trying to take benefits from alienating! |
Originally Posted by Lowkoon
(Post 9910710)
Staggers, lost 2 ports in Japan, so that nulifies KUL expansion crew wise surely. 5 330s, yes, but we have seen 1? growth of what, 2%? Hardly constitutes DEC in my humble opinion.
|
Let me guess, he's a trainer who suspiciously has one of those candidates who struggle with the cruise component of the flight and has to switch his roster to all the HKTs... Plenty of them. Plenty more guys that haven't seen a second of overtime in years than there are overworked souls at 95+.
Fast track commands yes, but out of seniority? No. New joiners can have one, as long as no one else on the list with minimum qualifications above them wants it. Why should that suddenly change because we are getting few clapped out airframes from big brother? Its not like it was a surprise, we have known they were coming for the best part of six months at least. |
Staggers
Why are the A330 crews on big overtime when A320 pilots are well under the overtime threshold? When was last time Command courses were available on the A330 and when is going to be the next one, none advertised until December ? Is the overtime created by poor management or part of increase Synergy between KA and CX big plan? |
bacou
Did you miss earlier post
100% management created (i.e. self inflicted) crewing mess.... It's a CX/KA specialty.. Short term gain = longer term total :mad: up. The Swire school of management unaccountability.:ugh: Did everybody honestly complete their "Employee Engagement Survey" |
yes. Completely disagreed on all points.
|
Originally Posted by Icarus2001
(Post 9907894)
There is healthy demand for A320 Captains worldwide.
Why would they choose KA? That is what they will be asking themselves. Without being sarcastic and having noted the many negative points, these are the reasons I would say could appeal compared to other DEC 320 jobs. |
Possibility of Long Haul?
|
Maybe he means Beijing and Shanghai are two crew longhaul because it can take 16.5 hours to get back? :confused:
|
''I hear from ears in the UK that KA are circling around the imminent carcass of Monarch UK.''
Well, they had better be quick. The worldwide pilot shortage has meant that there is already a feeding frenzy for the 400 or so Monarch guys. Virgin, easyJet, Aer Lingus, Flybe, SAS, Titan, Wow, Jet2 and Parc have already set up fast track recruitment for them. Even the RAF have invited the ex-military pilots to get in touch. Whoever get the valuable Monarch slots at MAN and LGW are going to need extra crew. I don't see any of them coming to HKG. |
Good info Dan, lets hope they all get something close to where they want to be ASAP, with minimum disruption to their lives and their families. With choices like that, they at least have an option other than an airline that has declared open warfare on its pilots terms and conditions in a country that has extremely limited workers protections. It is certainly adding to our stress on the lead up to Christmas.
Helpers are at the moment in court so that they don't have to live with their bosses. Maybe we could spin this, we are prepared to lose some housing benefit if we can all move in with the boss? Then we could help the managers max out their impressive housing limits? |
Speaking of Christmas. How many of us will be stressed and unfit thinking about our families, and the threat they have been put under by our self-serving management? Just a thought.
|
Originally Posted by theCOMEDIAN
(Post 9913449)
Possibility of Long Haul?
|
A quick glance at the route structure should answer that one for you BringBackThe80s.
|
Correct. Sorry my bad
|
Originally Posted by bringbackthe80s
(Post 9913844)
What about the 330s ?
|
Welcome to the Cathay Club ladies and gents in KA. You had it good but now you are firmly in the grip of good old inept CX management - you've seen what's happened to big brother over the years, now get ready for the same! The race to the bottom is in top gear right now and you are the next speed bump to flatten.
|
They have no new or fresh ideas; embarrassed for having committed the biggest fuel blunder in aviation history...they are eager to try and redeem themselves....they just keep going back to draw fresh water from the pilot concession well...
The bucket now is only bringing up stones and mud, but they just can't stop dipping the bucket. They grow thirsty, and panic sets in. What now? Must have water...bonus depends on more concessions...more concessions...must find more concessions! Must transform the Company, make it more sustainable, time to win, project altitude and all that. Hold on....we haven't dipped our bucket into that KA well! Toss the bucket in! |
What if the water being extracted by "them" through a secret way bit by bit already?
Now we were told the well is dried while "they" have all their buckets overfill somewhere. |
No chance. All KA Crew currently on a pay freeze. Until 2018. But in reality, its going to be 2020 before there's any real scraps thrown our way.
Housing, KA's HPS/ Rental is the same but different. DPA Housing recently signed off by the former slurpee DFO. 4 more years, so CXDragon OK jack. And still index linked |
What is the current amount of housing allowance (highest) at KA ?
|
Traf
Dont ask ahahaha He works for HKE |
Pretty low to attack our cos while we are on a freeze... I guess it is only frozen from going up, with an unlimited downside. This level of ethics and engagement was certainly reflected in my engagement survey.
|
All times are GMT. The time now is 07:25. |
Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.