sounds like a certain fleet in CX..

SWH, before the total destruction of your credibility please refrain from the above BS.

Ask your KA friends about last night..... but with your sweeping allegations I doubt you have any!

swh, It's a great shame that you seem insistent on trying to drive yet another wedge between pilot groups with your hostility. In the interest of your more sane colleagues I'm not biting, nor do I take offence. Your interpretation is too childish to be genuinely offended. I'm sorry that you feel KA are such a demanding and selfish crowd. I can only assure you that things aren't quite as simplistic as that. As for the boating issue, I regret that you're misinformed.

Nothing happened last night, this has been put in print to KA staff a long time ago, It was never communicated to CX staff officially until today.

Of course everyone in CX all misinformed, we were never told.

Just to set the record straight, when exactly did people in KA get told about PRI 25 travel (a year ago plus ?) When did people in CX get told ? (today)

I would actually say it is more accurate to say that we were not informed or consulted at all. Unlike the people at KA and the DPA. Your DO only sent out and email only a few weeks ago confirming again it will take effect in Jan 2016 before the DPA EGM in Feb. He described it as an "important matter", while people above are all trying to downplay it. Are you saying he is also misinformed ?

So you think it totally fair that a a CN that has been in KA for 2 years can bump a FO that has been in CX for 12 years ? Then you have people above claiming CX guys are paid 20% more ???

As for the boat issue, so you are suggesting that is the fault of CX pilots as well ?

It was a CX non-flying employee passing judgement on a KA pilot.

It's ok swh, no need to justify anything with this swarm of KA posts. I am sure they will fight for common seniority list soon for a chance to come across as well. It will also be interesting to see what the greatest union in CX has to say with this demoralizing change....the FAU and not AOA ofcourse.

I'm not going to race SWH to the bottom so can someone else explain how a group employee of 2 years can bump another group employee of 12 years off a flight if it's a DOJ based system.

AOA knew of this matter years ago .......

cyrex

No interest in your outfit too many weirdos. And I like to circle and fly manually. I can't recall your outbursts when all the other KA employees went over years ago either.

Staff Travel
 

Hi CX Guys,

You as much as KA Crews really don't have any control over the future direction of our companies! You may not realise this but this is the truth... Pilot's think they are in control, however we really have no control of name changes or future directions of the company. We drive the aeroplanes. If you seriously think what you say about another companies crew within your group of companies is beneficial keep it up!!!!!!! When you are finished and wakeup and smell the roses and have a 100% unified crew within the group of companies well then and only then will you have a strong workforce.................

This should have been the first thing the 2 pilot groups should have achieved 10 years ago......... But **** unions with poor leadership only drives the direction of the selfish with the subsequent position you are now complaining about.

United you rule, divide you loose!
:ugh::ugh::ugh::mad::mad::mad:

How about we get the option to dump our KA priority 25 and never have anyone from KA get on a CX flight ahead of us.
Haven't ever used KA in the past and don't want to now.
We just got f*cked.

CN PRI11 J
FO PRI11 YW

And a Swire employee can bump both with an even lower DOJ.

Staff Travel
 

Next time you have a look at the bottom line.... A company with 41 aircraft makes more profit than the big brother! That has many more aircraft and have muscled into KA operating territory!

swh

Funnily I haven't noted your mordant outburst about Swire employees nor our KA office staff who switched over prior. It does seem puerile though, that when it's the KA pilots your protests begin.

Annual FOC's? Expats ( not C scale ) are having their travel fund partially garnished over that one.

Thanks for the laughs, how much money does CX funnel into associated companies ? All those "KA office staff who switched over" do what exactly for the KA subsidiary ? Who pays for them ? Who pays for the aircraft ?

Who exactly is paying the 100 million for the re-branding of KA ?

The "office staff" are now employed by CX, not KA, they are entitled to CX benifits. Swire employees and directors etc have always had higher priority, there is no change. They also have higher priority on KA.

If you all joined the bottom of the ASL today as CX employees at the same time, no one would complain. Done the same way as any new joiner on the same day at CX, by lottery, totally random order. Thats what the KA freighter pilots did.

"travel fund partially garnished":ugh::ugh::ugh::ugh:

Why did the Aoa not know about this, as the dpa had this information available for a long time?
I thought they were working closely together?

This thread is a F@çk!ng disgrace.

Please re-read captaindbusdriver's post

swh

Just wondering. Did the KA office staff transferred to CX go to the bottom of the list?

Oasis

AOA has known about from near to day one.

flyhardmo

How is this post a F*(&KING Disgrace? You guys whined your way into getting the same travel priority as us while all we can do is watch and witness you cutting the line in boarding priority. You guys stole from our cos and you call us disgrace? It would of been marginally more acceptable if all your travelling priority dates start from the date CX took over KA and not your KA DOJ which is totally irrelevant anyway.

swh

Wasn't the question. Did KA office staff have their DOJ honored when they were transferred to CX? Just wondering and thought you may know.

January 1990
 

In January 1990 Cathay Pacific and Swire Group acquired a majority stake in Dragonair. That's s long time ago.

Yes they did and the pilots did as well, differance is they are CX employees. They are on CX employment terms.

The office staff and pilots however did not carry over rank or promotion opportunities, they were added to the CX pool. The pilots joined the bottom of the ASL in random order like any other pilot. Most of them are around 2000 on the seniority list, none are currently eligible for a passenger command, probably not before 2020 at the earliest.

I know the KA captains would throw their FOs under a bus to jump over as there is no downside for their rank. The FOs however would be looking at 12 years additional FO time which is a significant loss of forward earnings.

Using your logic every CX employee should get full Swire benefits since 1948. No CX employee thinks that is their right.