Tell you what boys, I'll take our old profit share formula and you can have the staff travel.
Believe me not everyone at KA is happy about the proposal, (not deal) hopefully it can be improved on.
Now where the 350 manual on cx intranets?

I am still awaiting a KA pilot to tell us the deal's positives for CX staff.

Maybe there are none?

Does anyone know where I can get some popcorn? This is quite something! :D

Maybe the majority of CX employees are happy to get ahead of KA on the flights to Penang, Phuket, China, Vietnam, Cambodia, Fukuoka, Taipei, Kaohsiung, Okinawa, etc. Maybe you are a bit egoistic here, the majority of CX (maybe not you) will benefit.

The majority of CX employees don't want to "get ahead" of anyone at a different airline. Why? Because it's not right. We didn't ask for it and we don't want it.

JS policy - SAME AIRLINE
 

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The MAJORITY of CX employees - what is your reference?

DIFFERENT AIRLINE?- Use of JS policy, CX and KA considered SAME AIRLINE.

The seat in another part of the same aircraft of the same airline is considered a different airline?

Well said, some posters should look behind the cockpit door and in the lunchroom at hello kitty city.
This is an Asian airline (Yes singular).
This will benefit the locals and Asian commuters a huge amount more on Dragonair as we get more Asian destinations.

I'll guarantee the whiners are commuters, love to see the the commuter contract they signed.
20-30 westerners in KA may benefit I'd be more worried about 500-1000 of our more senior cabin crew.

With the dollar and pound down I'm suggesting Europe and Australia are great destinations for a holiday.
Oh and they take the whole family as well.
This would not have been such an issue if AOA and DPA had of talked years ago.

Over 1 in every 15 people employed by CX in HOng Kong is an Australian pilot (over 1000), most with one or more families (Airbus fleet has the extremely high divorce rate). More CX staff travellers than there are people employed by CX have been disadvantaged.

It's is very transparent exactly the people in KA that pushed for this. The FAU is livid over this as well, so the argument that it was for CX cabin crew holds no water.

KA expats were compensated in their contracts with full fare tickets to get them home. With this change, a KA pilot wife and three children would have multiple priority 11 sectors to offload pri25 staff regardless of their DOJ.

swh

Oh not again, even a mouse in a laboratory knows when to stop ........

A group of people are not conquered from without until it has destroyed itself from within.

When both reason, reality fail to impact on pilots, perhaps all that remains is ridicule.

swh has a point.

CX is about to give green pages back to all CX pilots. I am optimistic that this will occur on January 1st 2017.

Caveat? That you haven't been unfit more than 24 days in the previous year.

I heard this from the figment of my imagination, so it must be true.

This new policy is for the office staff to visit their girlfriends in Asia.... And for KA crew to not get depressed about lack of new planes or growth, and to keep on going the extra mile! What more is there to say? The whole thing is silly.

On a side note, everyone at the Cathay group should know airport identifiers for staff travel on journey lite.... Why do we have to go to a separate screen to put this info in. What a waste of time and bandwidth. If you don't know the 3 letter code of the airport you are staff traveling to, then maybe you should not be going there!

Yes, swh would have an excellent point if it were black and white. But it's very grey.

I'd suggest swh in his legacy swagger is an unwitting contributor to the race to the bottom. A black and white fanaticism will only miss a bigger picture as some of the ill-informed comments are forever divisive. The DPA has approached the AOA on staff travel issues and I'd suggest a proactive DPA committee would be in contact over other issues now.

Surely, likely near term scenarios are obvious to all? KA involved in training or a rapid expansion of KA over CX regional routes.

The first option will only be a success with outbursts from the likes of swh; otherwise, I can't see the training option working with KA's industrial culture and it will only reduce the mechanics of KA's own efficiency anyways ( if it can sort out command training failure rates ).

So an endgame would be a continuous expansion of KA which will eventually drive itself to more levels of training efficiency by necessity. If there was a more sensible attitude and less legacy swagger toward integration years ago this wouldn't matter two hoots to CX pilots now. So it would be a nice surprise if the two pilot groups driven together instead of being wedged apart and stealing a bitter defeat.