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Staff Travel Change

Old 5th Feb 2016, 02:14
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Staff Travel Change

Jan 1st 2017 - KA will have same boarding priority as CX Staff on CX flights.

So it begins...the first in the list of changes to be introduced.
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Old 5th Feb 2016, 02:22
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Yep and vicky-verka on KA's ever expanding network which will be well received by regional CX commuters and travelers but not so by some in KA.

Now that Contract Compliance has been averted I imagine the message will be keep expanding KA? Despite a 50% command failure rate it has the training capacity in place to keep growing. And we can circle and fly visual approaches too if that helps?
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Old 5th Feb 2016, 02:26
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But it's ok. CX also get PRI25 on KA now. Finally!

I was so sick of getting bumped off the Guilin flight.
And CX get the KA travel fund too. Well, that wasn't in the Update but I'm sure that's just an oversight.

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Old 5th Feb 2016, 02:33
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Your cabin crew commuters are often furious getting bumped by KA staff to Penang and elsewhere. The tantrums spectacular and perhaps the original driver of this policy with Cathay-Dragon taking over more regional routes.
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Old 5th Feb 2016, 03:17
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Great news! I knew I joined the wrong airline! I'll finally be able to commute to Zhengzhou now! The wife will be over the moon!

Seriously, I hope CX skippers look after their own with JS requests when possible, not that they'll be around much longer.
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Old 5th Feb 2016, 03:18
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So, which senior CX staff have places in Phuket...?
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Old 5th Feb 2016, 03:41
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And they didn't attack the COS
Hang on
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Old 5th Feb 2016, 04:35
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In a moment of magnanimity, while feeling the spirit of the combined CX group airlines, I was motivated to acknowledge all my outstanding JS requests. Twenty seven CX staff, only one from KA.

There are plenty of CX staff who will also benefit from this change.
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Old 5th Feb 2016, 04:40
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Zhengzhou? Guilin? Seriously? The same juvenile arguments can be made for Colombo...Chennai...the entire Middle East....

As a group, everyone benefits from this change. Airline versus airline, Cathay staff benefit more than Dragon as due to greater resident seniority. ie. CX will bump KA more than KA will bump CX staff.

The only people that lose from this are the commuters. If you only care about ONE city. If you couldn't give a flying fark about travel to the other 89 then this hurts you. The Cathay commuters to PER & SYD, the Dragon commuters to HKT & PEN etc. So given that group-wide, commuters number in the hundreds out of a global headcount that exceeds 20,000 this is a no brainer. Personally, I look forward to having a far better chance of getting uplifted for the next bucks night in HKT, golf trip to CNX or squeezing onto the last flight out of HND that gets me back in time for duty without tea and biccies.

And for the record One Bar Wonder, I issue jumpseats to aircrew first come first served, independent of airline. If you're family of the operating crew or a close friend you'll be pushed up and if you've let my JS request whither on the vine or played games you'll be pushed down (reciprocity).

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Old 5th Feb 2016, 05:41
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Very Magnanimouse of you. Having checked with a couple of Dragon mates, the culture there is (quite logically and reasonably IMO) to favour their own - I will reciprocate.
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Old 5th Feb 2016, 05:57
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"...everyone benefits from this change..."

Yeah, right. And I suppose RA 65 will reduce time to Commands??
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Old 5th Feb 2016, 05:58
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36 months!

And to think it only took 36 months to implement from when we got it in writing! Quite brilliant!! So it takes 1080 days to add 500 pilots to the system..

That's one name added to a data base every two days. Obviously a user friendly data entry system employed by our IT elite. Do we really believe the excrement spewing forth again?

Now boys and girls , don't be a single day late with your tech quiz or learners world (enter pathetic course title here), or we will stand you down. Having issues this threat, if you could give us three years to add your name to a data base we would greatly appreciate it, as you will only really be considered as part of the group once we change the paint on the planes you fly, (why?) and as we know there is nothing you can do about it anyway.. Be guided accordingly as they say.
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Old 5th Feb 2016, 06:08
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So you'll now be handing back the large travel allowance you still get at KA because you don't have staff travel internationally.........

Or spending it on commuting to Sydney. I'm guessing there'll be about a 300% increase in KA commuters.
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Old 5th Feb 2016, 06:24
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Or we just roll it into our pay like you guys VOTED to do? Not sure what you are getting at there. Which of your COS items will you be happy to give up because KA don't get them too? Quite an odd position to take industrially.

As for Sydney commuters, a 300% increase in your estimates might see the numbers rocket up to a dozen guys. We only get the same priority, that's it.

Have you ever seen a KA roster? If you do see one, look at it with commuting in mind, you will feel a lot better about yourself, and your fear of getting bumped by a KA commuter. I promise.
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Old 5th Feb 2016, 06:31
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KA commuters?? You're joking aren't you. Our rosters don't allow commuting, just quick visits. We fly short haul remember. 8 gs a month.

As for the travel fund??!! That's why for the same grade CX gets 20% higher basic wage than KA. Yours is included in your wage, ours is an add on.

I've got 15 jump seat requests over the next few days. 12 are Cx staff. And as per the mouse milker they are first come first serve.
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Old 5th Feb 2016, 06:50
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How spiteful. And what will you be giving up when you bump KA staff off regional routes? Nothing !

Commuting to Australia on a KA roster will seriously damage your health. Most know this.


Shouldn't you be working a G day or something instead of laying into a KA pilots.
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Old 5th Feb 2016, 07:46
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swh, I think you'll find it wasn't one of our own that created the boating debacle but rather one of our less highly regarded HR managers looking for another opportunity to poke a stick where it shouldn't have been poked.
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Old 5th Feb 2016, 08:05
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Please dont shoot the messenger

Please can we not let this descend into a slanging match.
I can understand how CX crews must feel and particulalry so as PEN has come over to us with the Malaysian staff trying to get home. With the current industrial climate the timing is less than ideal.
KA people please dont wind up our opposite numbers. CX guys bear with us we too are just trying to get through the day in one piece.
For my part I will always do my best to get staff on the jump seat particulalry our colleagues from CX who are always a pleasure to have onboard.
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Old 5th Feb 2016, 08:13
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I would think somewhat unlikely that KA crew will start commuting. The impact will more be that KA crews' families are now going to be higher priority when visiting grandma etc. down in OZ. But given how full the flights are anyway, marginal impact on making commuting tougher than it already is
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Old 5th Feb 2016, 08:21
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cathay dragon's crew don't even have time to travel outside their roster!

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