Sodapop: I have read your last post and I understand you were not making fun of the Vietnam rapes (rappes...). Alright let's admit that.

Concerning the huge pilot shortage coming in the next 4-6 years due to the huge pilot retirement from the "Vietnam era" (1959/1973 mainly should I remind you?), just give up for your own sake, it's just ridiculous.

My final post, as this is getting out of hand and has nothing to do with the pilot shortage.

Well, if you were a pilot, I doubt you'd have the chance.


Shall we remove every post that is an opinion and may or may not be correct? I'd surmise that 90% of PPRUNE would disappear.



From my previous post:
Perhaps, I should not have made a joke of the word ''rapped" and I hereby apologize for making you think a reference to MC Hammer had anything to do with Vietnam (because it doesn't). I also stand by the fact that I never brought up anything about the conflict other than using the term "Vietnam-Era Pilots).

Please note from previous post that I described "Vietnam-era pilots" as including pilots who were in the military (or civilian) during the conflict time frame but got out/hired afterwards in the late 70s. Had to edit to include this as it is my final post.


Over and out boys. Will check back in 4-6 years to see if there really were retirements.

I changed my last post after I read the last part of your previous one. Not fast enough I guess, you already answered...

As far as there is no joke with the Vietnamese rapes, I am fine.

Ok, I know this is your last post, just to be accurate: that's not because somebody, who was a military or civilian during the Vietnam war (59/73 mainly), has been hired in the late 70s (even late 80s if you want!) suddenly became younger when he got hired!

would anyone like a mint ?

Only if it's wafer thin.


Thanks Stuck, best post to date. Let's all take a chill pill and have a group hug.

These two statements tell me that your out of your mind or plain don't know what the hell your talking about.
There was very little hiring in the early 90s. Why do you think there were 2500+ hr flight instructors. It wasn't because they were professional-lifetime instructors. It was because there was NO movement, a-la no/little hiring. I seem to remember Pan Am going TU in '91 and what few jobs were available were snatched up by those highly qualified individuals. The hiring didn't really start picking up until '98

All of the majors were not hiring in '96.
I know for a fact that AA and US Air did not start until '98 or later.
I still have the scantron from AA and the app from US Air and those issue dates were in '98.

Neither.
I guess you don't have a clue as to what entry level salaries are these days.

Dude,
 

So you're saying that no one is accepting the low wages---hence the airlines can't find pilots and have a shortage? Hope that's true. In Europe I don't think it's the case as guys/gals get up everyday and pay to fly at Ryanair etc.

From 91-93, UPS hired, NW hired, Delta hired (even after the Pan Am bankruptcy), AA hired, Fedex hired. Mind you I'm speaking of ex-military not 2500+ hour flight instructors. No military pilot that I know who got out after the first gulf was was unable to find a job. I'm not talking 1000s of jobs mate just steady hiring. So perhaps only high-time/ex-mil guys were finding jobs.

Same goes for guys who got out from 96-2000. No one I know was unable to find a job. Again, that doesn't mean 1000s of jobs or that 2500+ hour CFIs without a college degree or what have you were being hired by the majors. No idea what the commuters were doing, although a few guys I know did have to start with commuters in around 99-2000. Then, of course, the bottom fell out.

There is a shortage of handsome Caribou pilots who can play guitar, drive an automatic porsche like Daryl O' Young and ask stupid questions that have no relevance to operations of a big jet :ok:

How many of you on this thread were actually involved in the US airline business during the 90's? By involved, I mean you were working for or applying to any of the US carriers during that time.

Wraith-

What country are you from?

Hey KAG,

Just occurred to me that perhaps the reason we don't come to terms on the age of guys who left the military at the end of conflict or shortly after, is that many of them got out "early" as the military drew down and so they were in the 24-27 age group. Hence, a guy who was 25 get out in '74 and is now 61-62. Even a 27-year old who gets out in '73 is just now hitting 65. Admittedly, a narrow "Vietnam-era pilot" gap which I should have better explained. Whenever I speak to someone regarding the upcoming retirement boom, they refer to these guys in this manner.

Just for clarification.

Cheers

B the K,

I was heavily into getting ready to apply and prepared from 95-98, still have the old Air Inc gouge book. Ended up flying in Europe instead.

We used to talk about the WWII and Korean pilots retirement re pilot shortage...

Then it was the military downsizing with less pilots...

Still waiting...

Epic CX Guy
 

If there ever is a real pilot shortage I'm going to break out my Saxophone and go bananas ....

Like This ....

Flexible
There will never be a shortage of systems operators but there is definitely a shortage of pilots.
Sorry to say, single pilot IFR is where it is all heading...at least until all the pilots are dead and buried. Hopefully by that time CX will be able to run their schedule with drone operators from the Dakota.
I understand that pretty soon 50 percent of US military ops will be run by drones...then they just upsize them to 400t MTOW and problem solved.
At least then we don't have to get buried with our mistakes:sad:

what, the same few bars repeated incessantly and flipped back to front. i pity your neighbours.. but then again thats only if there's a pilot shortage, so they're safe in this lifetime.

mind you even in WWII, the japanese didnt have a problem of a pilot shortage in finding P2F pilots..

'Things that make you go ''hmmm...'' '

A Cathay Pacific recruitment ad in 'Flight' magazine, 21-27 June issue. I thought we were 'being swamped with applications'??

(There is also an ad for Emirates over the page.)

FO's are starting to leave for Emirates ..... one this week others in the process.

I dont believe there will be short of pilot, plenty out there do not worry about it.:D

Just the "facts" ma'am
 

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DATE:22/06/11
SOURCE:Flight Daily News
PARIS: Boeing warns airlines time's running out for training
By David Learmount


Airlines are seeing greater numbers of their pilots being poached by competing carriers, a sure sign that the long-expected pilot shortage is kicking in despite continued economic gloom in the US and Europe.
The comments from Boeing Flight Services vice-president Sherry Carbary came at the release the 2011 version of Boeing's annually updated analysis of the airline industry's growing needs for skilled personnel such as pilots and technicians over the next 20 years. In 2010 Boeing's study predicted a need for 446,500 new pilots over the next 20 years, but now Carbary says that has risen to 459,600. Boeing's prediction for the number of fully trained technicians airlines will need has climbed from 596,500 to 650,000.
The average annual training need to meet that demand is 23,000 new pilots and 32,000 new technicians.
In the 2011-2030 period, according to Boeing's new figures, by far the biggest demand will come from Asia, because that is where the economic growth is, said Carbary. She also warned that a great deal of the Asian requirement for expert personnel has historically been met by expats, whereas in future the latter will be needed in their home markets,
Asia Pacific pilot demand is predicted to be 40% of the total, said Carbary, whereas in the 1970s it was 2%. Comparative needs in North America and Europe respectively are 18% and 20% and a far higher proportion of those figures is for replacements rather than the additional needs generated by growth. The regional share of demand figures are almost the same for technicians.