They will never learn
 

I have been around long enough and know what is going on and it is a complete mess at the moment.

HKA's first mistake was firing all the people years ago. Yes we know that’s in the past but that Singaporean's bad decision still hurts the company to this day. The result is years of difficulty finding quality pilots. The word was out. The word is still out. Unless your unemployed or from a low standard background stay away from HKA.

During these rapid expansion years what calibre pilot could they find? South Americans, Filipinos and some washed out Southern Europeans who may have 10 thousand hours in the logbook but clearly come from a culture where"standards" are questionable at best. Most of them will even admit how relaxed and bad it was. I do not wish to taint all with the same brush as there are some very good pilots from these countries but, as a generalization I know I am not the only one that thinks this. The level 3 or 4 English (communication) is very bad from some of these pilots.

So what we have seen is good quality and experienced pilots turned off by the past legacy of the Singaporeans and only third world and marginal pilots get hired. This was done in a time they needed anyone with a heartbeat and a pilot’s licence.



Finally the CAD is doing what it should have done back in the “runwayhotspot” days of a few years back and imposing restrictions on HKA until they get their act together. Do they really think the Chinese management has the ability to do that?

The company’s future is now with the narrow minded and backward culture of the mainland Chinese management who have never listened in the past and never will in the future. The festering scab that is the remaining Singaporeans needs to be removed or nothing will change.

What will happen to HKA? I believe it will continue for a long time to come.The standard will remain low. The working environment will always be bad. The pilots will always be disrespected. The cabin crew, ground engineers, ground staff and travelling public are now aware of the way the company treat its own people.

They are scrambling at the moment to give the impression of "weare a caring company and we can work together to achieve harmony" and they care about our welfare and morale, but this is just the typical reactive response when they get desperate. They do not and never will give a Shlt about anyone.

There will never be any forward thinking to try and solve any of the problems. Therefore HKA is doomed because they will never be able to compete with other airlines that offer an attractive and stable work environment. Pilots will come and go in droves like they always have and the high cost of training is ignored by the management. Want a free endorsement and a quick command? come to HKA and HKE. Then leave at the first opportunity.

It was the same mechanical problem Emirates had on the same runway last Easter in their 380. Airbus has a problem.

Fire away!

Yes, it seems to have been yet another Airbus Mystery Brake Lock event.

Emirates A388 at Hong Kong on Apr 7th 2012, blew tyres on landing

http://avherald.com/img/emirates_a38...g_120407_1.jpg

Of course this kind of mechanical failure thing never happens to CX or KA.

CX A330 thrust control failure and 230kt landing with wheel fire.

http://images.smh.com.au/2010/04/14/...__1_-80x80.jpg

The EK problem is a well known A380 problem, not a A330 one.
I still suspect they accidentaly had max braking selected.

What was the xwind for the landing. Was it above the autoland xwind limit? I know there were a lot af GA happening at the same time due to the Xwind.

And then there was this one, same day I believe as HKA:
http://www.pprune.org/dg-p-reporting...rakes-mel.html

Xwind with autoland is 20knots I believe.

Not sure about the wind, but I do know it was rough as guts, with windshear and lots of go arounds.

HKA Historian is right on the money.

I work there. I see the rubbish these guys promote as "standards". Management is full of self serving xenophobic clowns pretending to know what they are doing. They surround themselves with yes-men and promote as such. FO's are encouraged to come in on days off to work in the office for free so as to win favor with management for command opportunities - and so many of the spineless fools do. What gets some pilots marked as career FO's in one airline gets them promoted at HKA. FO's holding meetings with management pilots to report what other pilots said or did all in an effort to try to win brownie points with management. And it obviously worked for a few. Rumors of FO's coming into the office and working for 8+ hours (for free of course) to edit (make up) flight plans for the CAD inspections... One older FO told me of his base training with another 5 or 6 new joiners. After the flight the BTC recorded TWO landings from the 15 or 18 performed.

LGW? How can there be so many other airlines going to LHR / LGW from HK and HKA can manage to sell 5, 10 or 20 seats a flight? How many times does CX go to LHR? Four flights a day I think. Then there's BA and VA.... And HKA get sometimes 5 or 6 passengers a flight on a service offering cheaper seats than the competitions economy seats?? Go anywhere and ask Joe Public what he knows of HKA let alone the LGW flight. NOTHING. Zero advertising. Zero public awareness. IDIOTS.

Standards? What an insult. TRE/I's turing up to pre flight briefings, sim sessions and at the office in tracksuit tops over their uniform and walking through the terminal as such. Jeans, tee shirt and trainers for the sim sessions.... At a serious airline that would get you sent home, and rightfully so. If you fools can't even stick by a dress code what chance of maintaining any other resemblance of standards? A friend recently told me the TRE arrived 20 mins late for the sim and then announced they'll only do "2 and bit" hours of the scheduled 4 hour RT/PC because he had plans and wanted to be home sooner. And you question why or if they cannot perform a cross wind landing properly?? When they can't even agree on what the standard calls down an ILS let alone dispatch minima then more technical issues are as they are!!!!!

We're an airline packed with incompetence. What's worse is they refuse to acknowledge a damn thing and blame the ground staff, our competition or the EU economy. If you can't even admit your mistakes how the hell can you progress and improve?? At last the CAD has stepped in. We deserve it. Too many LCC 320 heroes without a clue as to long haul ops let alone what an open, honest and safe airline is. CRM? There's another joke. CRM instructors get appointed due their connections and receive a few extra dollars to spit out a powerpoint presentation on topics they have zero actual credentials in anyway. And that same standard is reflected on the flight deck.

Line training standards are the same. Different TRE/I's all crapping on from a different song sheet and repeating "At Air Asia / Air Macau / Tiger / Jetstar we did it this way......" And then if you show the slightest form of knowledge or question their incorrect procedure by opening up one of those "FCOM" thingies then you're told to shut up and the same "In my previous airline....."

So when these guys are the "leaders" and setting the standards what do you expect? I do hope someone from the CAD reads this. And I hope

The frustrating thing is that the airline is full over well qualified pilots who could sort out this crap within 6 months. This isn't wanted because the standards they deliver are not determined by your nationality and need to stick together as such.

But hey, look at the bigger picture. You CX and KA guys shouldn't be speaking of standards. What are your minimum entry requirements nowadays? ZERO hours. At least HKA requires jet time. I've been HKA for 2 years now. I'm leaving. Whether or not this latest incident is pilot error or another airbus quirk it at least draws more attention to these clowns and HOPEFULLY the CAD will really say enough is enough.

Then I'm afraid you don't know the A330 very well.

We had an A330 stuck at the holding point for two hours in my (european national) airline! The brakes would not release, no matter what they tried.
Its a well known gremlin, and Airbus recognise it by telling you not to arm the Autobrake before take off until the Flight Controls Check is done.

Understand the frustrations. But Singapore Airlines, BA are examples of airlines with cadet programs starting with zero hour pilots. However, because they are zero hours, they are technically a clean slate not tainted by any substandard procedures that may have been used as examples but indoctrinated in the culture of the company. That being said, the premise has to be that the company already has a strong foundation in the said SOPs, FCOM and CRM culture for that to be true.
So having 'jet' time or previous experience is only good to the point on handling skills and SA building. Once it becomes intrusive in benchmarking SOPs to what was familiar and not necessarily the most ideal method...then it becomes a different story

This lot are an insult to the AOC there are given by the CAD.Hopefully this time CAD will flex its authority and sort them out.We the public pay taxes for the CAD to regulate the airlines and provide the public with a safe system..Why are there so many incompetent foreigners working there in the first place.?
I heard some don't even have proper licences and dubious log -books.!!!!!:mad:
Interesting about Singaporeans thought, nothing goes wrong in Singapore, all is perfect and always happy ..la, why are they here.!!!they all love Singapore.:confused:

Amazing the diatribe here, huge long posts....the guys here who came with 320 ratings and got a 330 did a great thing, a bunch are highly qualified and capable..and more than capable of now jumping to sandpit or more established carriers..but from what I hear are quite comfortable getting paid well to fly simple rosters.
Those that can't go anywhere better will suffer and won't win. No one really cares, as for the time being they are happy. Those whinging I expect are FOs and I don't blame them one bit, to upgrade you need some order and plan

HKA and HKE management are the worst ever experienced in my entire life.
 

I was very fortunate to leave this group a while ago now and have made it my mission to spread the word to people considering a move there. DO NOT DO IT!


'terpsops' is obviously a person with great integrity who clearly has lived the HKA nightmare and you should heed his warning.

It will be at least another half decade before HKA and HKE will be worth your time and effort and that is only if they employ a new upper management team NOW to clean up the filthy mess left by years of incompetance.:rolleyes:

Good luck to all unemployed or stuck in worse places. But I recommend getting out of flying all together for a different career is better than working for HKA/HKE.

The stupidity of the management will amaze you. It is even worse than India the middle east and China most times. They can pretend all they want but as a pilot you are no better than a public toilet cleaner to them.:\

Most of us are aware of the restrictions imposed on Hainan airlines after their blatant disregard for flight and duty time limitations. Perhaps HKA wants even more restrictions imposed on them for encouraging working on a day off? Maybe a critical or mandatory day off.

I know what I would do... If I saw an F/O working for free on a day off to further their command prospects I would make a friendly and anonymous call to the CAD to inform them. Maybe the CAD will do a 'spot check' and discover the person illegally woking. The result might be another 6-12 months of restrictions and no expansion.

For the F/O that gets caught; he can kiss his job goodbye because someone will need to get the blame and good luck getting another job. Oh and do not go walking down any dark alleys because many people will want your kneecaps broken.

How can it be SO clear and obvious to us how to act and run a business but seems so unclear for the management? Are they trying to get the AOC revoked? What the F%$k is wrong with these incompetents?

You'll probably ask the same question when you call the CAD, and they tell you they are not interested.

Right on ,its CAD that have screwed up the most by letting this all happen, and will come back to haunt them WHEN a major accident reveals their inaction ON THEIR OWN TURF..:\

SCMP Lai See, 7-Sep-12

Will there be some incense sticks next? Maybe a lion dance b4 each flight will help as well...

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