The Demise of Hong Kong Airlines
 

So, we are now at the stage where "Our Boss" is still working at another airline closeby (after a miraculous recovery from a long-term illness), and his boys, Little Dickie and Madame Wu Wu are fulfilling the management functions whilst the reamining management incumbents are celebrating carnivale.

"Eric the Bedwetter" over at the local regulator is having a great time playing aeroplanes with his own private aero club, and the rest of us wonder when the axe will finally fall on the remaining ICAO Level 6 speakers. Amazing chain of events, reminds me of the old Chinese curse, "may you live in interesting times".:{

11 F/O's got the sack today. These pathetic men are getting their childish ways. I hope the world comes crashing down around them.
HKA, you were warned. The rest should just pack up and leave, and let these snakes wonder why they have no crew.

HK airlines hold u head down with SHAME
 

yes these guys are going down the toilet fast.....absolutely disgusting how they laid off 14 pilots....what goes around , comes around thats for sure.Lets hope alll the pilots get jobs soon with HK /Macau operators.

I appreciate this is a rumour forum, however 14 pilots in 1 hit is quite a blow. Any main reason/s for this decision?

b.

Very sad day.

Too bad the lads from SIN don't realize that EVERY other pilot is planning on resigning ASAP. Soon they will have no pilots.

Then they will no doubt be happy.

To the boys (& girl) who got screwed, I know it seems bad now, but you are WAY better off.

Wow that sux! I really feal sorry for those guys who left jobs in other countries, left their family and friends behind, and went to HK for a job, only to find themselves out on the street now.:sad::sad:

How could management be so incompetent to let it come to this?:confused:

I hope you guys are all gainfully employed elsewhere in the near future.

I guess they talked to Cathay Pacific Management on how to sack en mass. Why, because they can. Great bunch in Hong Kong. :{

Sad to hear.

Absolutely disgusting action, at least they can look at their pretty aircraft from their offices when they are parked :}. Hope all the people involved get a new job really quick.

Good guess Mr. Bloggs! The SIN mob had intensive training with AHK in CX City. :} :rolleyes:
Signals Rescue 99 were given months ago..! :ugh:
Sad indeed.

A disgusting abuse of expatriate good faith....shame on you HKA!

I see none of the donkey r:mad:ting bandits got the boot, is this a racist thing?
Some of my spanish speaking amigos keep there jobs even after starting after these guys, with less hours...but yet only the 14 westerners got the boot.....is this true? If so even me disgusted.

Pedro,

This looks to be the case, the new asian management do not like the people the "old Management" hired so unfortunately these poor guys are caught in the middle of these new twats power struggle. It is in fact true that several of your amigos are still employed whilst the westerners that joined before have been let go. Pretty disgusting if you ask me, good luck to you all, and to management how the f#** can you expect loyalty from any employee after treating people this way. :=

The right words to describe HKA heirarchy CANNOT be used on this forum.
However, words like pathetic, amatuers, brainless, racist, dangerous, liars, etc can.:mad:
These pilots have come half way around the world, some with families, in good faith, to work for, hands down, the worst aviation company I have ever come across anywhere in the world ( or heard of ). Most of them even left good or 1/2 decent jobs to come here.
Most if not all of the FOs sacked where good people and will find a job easily, it may not seem it at the moment, but they will realise it is the best thing that ever happened to them
I wish they would sack me, it would be a good incentive to find a better job sooner.
HKA had a great bunch of guys and gals and they will lose the lot in less than 12 months, nobody is going to stay at this joke of an outfit.

Good luck to the 11 ( or 12 or 14 ) pilots, believe me, they have done you a favour.

When you receive news like this you want some sort of explanation. The explanation given was financial cutbacks leading to cancellation of aircraft orders. Understood and accepted.
Enter the south China morning Post Business Section.
"Hong Kong Airlines rejected the suggestion that an expansion slowdown was behind the layoffs"
"We still want to speed up our growth, and laying off less suitable pilots is one of the steps to take"
"Most of them flew turbo prop aircraft, which are popular in Europe but seldom used in Asia."
"They would take a long time to adapt to operating jetliners"
Well gee David Lui, its all clear now. Thanks for the personal address through our friends at South China Morning Post.
.....Sorry, more to say?
"The company would hire other first officers with more flying hours on the right aircraft type to cope with the development plan."

That would have to make the guys feel all warm and fuzzy.

The 14 guys/girls to go were by no means inexperienced...I think only one of them had less than 2000TT and all the others were 4000+ with BBJ, B747 and high perf turboprop time ie:Q400 etc - so why the hell would they take time to adapt to a jet Mr Lui?:ugh:
They were all bloody good folk with good intentions, only to be kicked in the guts as their reward. I cannot understand the logic in the random sackings of those affected and why those lower in seniority escaped scott free...fair huh?:= Westerners proceed with caution is the only message I have.

The unfortunate thing for HKA is that in doing this terrible act they have intensified the existing staff members search for new employment.

Congratulations:D

Even Stevie Wonder can see the writing on the wall at HK Airlines.......................GET THE HELL OUT.

Quality Turbo prop pilots will be the backbone of CX and KA future recruitment.......HK Airlines you just sacked 14 future captains, u will pay the price.

What experience level does this rocket scientist think 80% of chinese airlines FOs have :mad:
Putting it in print just shows the rest of the world what a joke he and his airline are :yuk:

Goes to show again that labour protections are non-existent - doesn't matter which organization you are in. How sad - why are we paying taxes here again?

For those like me who is out of the loop, can someone please explain the real reasons for sacking these people?

Does anybody know what experience the F/Os who did not get the sack have, if I am told correctly , junior to the ones sacked

The only way that management will take any form of notice is if people start to leave, none of this standing up to management. What is it going to achieve for the chaps still here?
I think what people are doing, is flying when they can, getting what hours they can get and at the same time applying for elsewhere. In todays job environment, it was probably a blessing in disguise for those that have been sacked. The ones who are unlucky are still here, trying to rack up hours with the ever decreasing flights available.
As for the newspaper article, not even guys within the company knew about it, never mind the public. So it sounds all a bit like bravado and anger.
The latest is that the new management want to bring in their own pilots, so do you really reckon they care if you stand up to them or not? HKA is overstaffed at the moment and its probably what they want, any excuse to fire anyone who decides to put their head up.

Yeah good onya beerboy, not everyone is content to cower like a snivelling mongrel dog as you suggest. Be an ar$licker if you choose, but don't expect anybody with any sense of dignity to follow your lead. "sit, sroll-over, good doggy"

Dear hoof harted, who said anything about cower? When does doing the job you were employed for means that you're arse licking? I wonder if you yourself work here, if you do I would gather that you are a bit of a hypocrite as I haven't heard anyone who fits your description, i.e. someone challenging the management, as all I can see are the remaining boys and gals going about their jobs, getting the hours and getting themselves out of here.

If you are one of the boys, gals who was sacked, then you have every right to be pissed, confused if not downright F%^ked off. If you feel that you want to take your anger out on me, then I hardly can do anything to stop it and indeed if it makes you feel better then go right ahead.
As it stands I am making a statement of fact, anyone who is half a decent pilot and is pissed off with the company knows there is only one thing to do, that is to get the hours and move on, why would you waste any more time and energy at a place where you are treated like a dog(there you go hoof, you heard me say it!) .

As for fighting back and getting some sort of payback..please hoof harted, enlighten me in how you intend to do so?...I'm guessing there will be no reply as i am only a good dog, however, if it does humour, please tell me how I should be a disobedient doggy? I, like you would like to hurt the company, but doing it the only way that would be practical, and that is to leave when I can. Now what is your idea of hurting the company?

To make a statement to the press, it will be headline news for a day, maybe a bit of a uproar for two days, then the person who made the statement made it anonymously and goes about his(her) business of gaining hours. This person probably felt better for it, and hand of applause for the ingenuity, but why waste time going to such lengths when you could be studying for that job interview, or even going about applying for one.

Another option, a statement with pilot's name attached, therefore probably giving the management an excuse to fire them, very brave and good for him or her, then go look for another job, should be employable in todays climate, maybe not, and then what? go and get the hours somewhere else, not as nice, rainy India, maybe or cloudy China.

Give me a clue, as being just a dumb good dog, I don't have any..and when you come up with one, I shall either piss on it, or bark to your approval, but in the meantime, I reckon you'll be content shouting down from your high horse at us lowly mutts. ruff ruff

Glad I left this outfit a few years back, never have looked back once!!!

Cheers

Given management of all companies (not just aviation) have a habit of lying...

how are the pax loads on average at HKA? If they are not good, I would bet that the real expansion plans are being scaled back, and they decided to "shave" pilot numbers to save some cost.

To decide who, comes politics (read nationality), "teamwork" (read "does he just suck it all up"), and ability (could be any definition) to decide who goes. Sadly, its rarely the latter that makes any difference.

Does anyone have a link to the SCMP article ??

Good luck with the job hunt guys!

I've heard that the sacked pilots were told their "lack of proffesional experience"... ie: 'jet time'... was the reason they were being let go even though some below them on the 'seniority list' were not... and also why new f/o's will replace them.

then why is a young local pilot who was let go for various performance related issues 're-hired'/brought back/whatever in favour of those recently let go. I understand this chap has virtually no experience. Not wishing him any ill will of course... good luck to him (not his fault)... but just wondering how HKA management justifies this.

Oh... and i also heard about the new 'package' you fellas got.

Yep, new package, too little too late, many more resignations to come.
2 FOs and 1 skipper throwing in the towel in coming weeks, another 6 or more FOs to follow if sucessful with KA.( and they will be )
Only sad thing is I think Management are foolishly happy to see all the expats leaving.
The new package was an insult to FOs with less than 1500hrs jet and will see Captains able to earn ( overall ) as much as KA FO, if they do 90-95 hrs/month. Still crap sick leave, holidays, staff travel etc etc etc .

MR GREEN........We pay taxes here in HK so that they can keep digging the roads up. It'll be a nice place when it's finished.........

I have an idea, when advertising for Pilots, if you want JET EXPERIENCE, put it in as a requirement!!!! Don't change it months later!!!! Glad to see a couple of my mates left before this happened.

new package?? new package?!?!?

You mean the company PAYCUT which you can join on a voluntary base....:}:ugh::{

NEW PACKAGE IS NOT MANDATORY.

You can (and should) opt out. They CANNOT change your COS unless you agree.

The whole thing is insulting.

what is happening next to hka/hke ? did anyone receive the open forum mail ?

Dont ya just love it :p
3 resignations ( 2 capt 1 FO ) in the last fortnight and about 6 ( possibly more ) definites in the next few weeks :ok:
Most, if not all, of the " fourteeners " have jobs, and are alot happier.
Cant wait for the arrival of the 50 'Buses :D, even if they did come, who is going to fly them :confused:

hongkongfooey, maybe you can pack your bags up and leave instead of pointing out all -ve thoughts & Bi**tChIn NON STOP ! it's so good out there so just leave and DO NOT WASTE your time where ever you are at now.

there are still too many extra fo's and more to come and will come so it dosen't matter 6 or another 16 leaving (exisisting ones can get more flying) and also for the commands to leave it will be a good opportunity for others to fill up their seats.

good for the 14's who got jobs and i would like to wish then best of luck !

there are alot of pilot's out there still available around the region to fly the upcoming airbuses.

HKEHKA,

You must be taking the p:mad:ss.

You try and rally the troups by posting a bogus email address to join a union and then turn around and support the b/s by your latest thread.

Confirms to me that you are either one of the slippery singasnakes or your in their back pocket.

Suggestion : do what you do best and f:mad:k off

:D:D:D:D

Well said chickflick.

Singasnake - love your work

Agreed, I smell a rat:suspect:

HKRHKA

Just a little help for you today;

"Deluded" - verb, to mislead the mind or judgement of; deceive.

"sycophant" - noun, a self-seeking, servile flatterer; fawning parasite.

On the other hand maybe you are much happier living in a parallel universe enjoying your meal of trouser-snake.

:ok::ok::ok::ok:

Lyin' City
 

HKEHKA, let me guess,

Zeke Lah?
Mdm. Wu Wu Lah?
Little Dickie Lah?

Your living in a dream world lah!

More resignations to come, best of luck lah!

:D

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Hey HKEHKA, what makes you think I am still in the Barnum and Baileys :confused:
This is an ANONYMOUS rumour network tool, do you really think, unlike yourself, I would give away who/what I am and where I am going/gone/been.
You really are a lot dumber than you look.

Say what you mean dude, " too many extra Aussies/Kiwis "

Yeh, you can put some more guys in the LHS that have not a clue what they are doing.

Was going to say a pity there was no last on first off used there, but you actually did them a favour

Bah ha ha ha ha :E:E

HKEHKA
Becareful what you say coz its obvious who you are.

You have the be the dumbest to ever write in this forum.

HKEHKA are not going to get many more applicants. Word is out about the snakefaced c%nts that run the show, and the inexperience they have are rapidly f&%kn things up. HKEHKA will only get those pilots who have bought their ATPL's from corrupt authorities.

I wish I knew that if I flew in formation with another couple of aircraft I could log it as multi engine time????????
According to one of the new managers, that is the case???????

Need I say more...............