Cathay pilots have got no balls!
Flex,
Do the 49 AOA members who took the 49er's jobs by accepting promotions pay an extra levy?
Wouldn't it spread the load a bit more if you 'fessed up that the ban was pointless and let the new joiners into the AOA?
Do the 49 AOA members who took the 49er's jobs by accepting promotions pay an extra levy?
Wouldn't it spread the load a bit more if you 'fessed up that the ban was pointless and let the new joiners into the AOA?
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sub sonic MB (aka - the walking contradiction)
the problem was the AFAP pilot group didn't stick together. most ran off overseas when the action started and left the inexperienced to do the fighting. as for the pussies up here that took commands off their fellow '49's...i gotta go with aimee on this one-- NO BALLS!
now i suggest you go back to your history books, and when you get your facts straight we'll let you back into the MEN'S Club!!
The CX pilots ought to learn from history and that means '89, and stick together,.........
now i suggest you go back to your history books, and when you get your facts straight we'll let you back into the MEN'S Club!!
Amos,
People who joined under the ban are ineligable for HKAOA membership. Not new, it's been the case since day one almost two years ago. Strange that you should start a thread (and then THRILL us with you witty (
) one liners) when you obviously know SFA about the subject.
People who joined under the ban are ineligable for HKAOA membership. Not new, it's been the case since day one almost two years ago. Strange that you should start a thread (and then THRILL us with you witty (
) one liners) when you obviously know SFA about the subject.
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TSi - Let me refer to you as junior - as you are clearly immature - the facts are simple - you intimate you were happy to snap a 49er's job.
Junior - there will always be fools like you around, decent pilots simply have to put up with it.
However, the education from '89 is not as you wish to portray, inaccurate as usual from then likes of you, but simply that pilots who stick together make managements take notice.
That is why managments try, and sometimes succeed, to fragment pilots into individuals like you, who rush in for the quick return, without a care for the big picture meaning the future of the profession.
Until you realise that, then you will always remain immature.
Grow up junior.
Junior - there will always be fools like you around, decent pilots simply have to put up with it.
However, the education from '89 is not as you wish to portray, inaccurate as usual from then likes of you, but simply that pilots who stick together make managements take notice.
That is why managments try, and sometimes succeed, to fragment pilots into individuals like you, who rush in for the quick return, without a care for the big picture meaning the future of the profession.
Until you realise that, then you will always remain immature.
Grow up junior.
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sub sonic MB - call me what you like, but YOU will not get admission into the MEN'S Club until you face the facts. it was not i or any of my mates that took the '49's command slots. i was happy to abide by the ban until i realised that YOU and your mates were prepared to shaft the '49's by taking their command positions.
now go back, study the case history and when you can do the mature thing and admit the recruitment ban was futile, you will no longer be regarded A PUSSY with no balls!.
regards from JUNIOR
now go back, study the case history and when you can do the mature thing and admit the recruitment ban was futile, you will no longer be regarded A PUSSY with no balls!.
regards from JUNIOR
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CU, I am not the least bit surprised to see the faith you place in the Judicial systems. sort of goes with your persona. From my perspective both sides are at fault and no amount of legal tickling is going to fix what is now ancient history.
TSI, Your economy with the truth does you no credit. More than 50% of the 49'ers were not Captains so you're obviously happy to take their jobs. The only reason you don't want AOA members to take commands is obviously because you'd be frightened of flying with them. Perhaps your standards aren't high enough. How many 49'ers have you spoken to about the merits of an upgrade ban? None, I suspect because you're spouting such C**p.
Shortly, You do seem upset about the legal action, don't you want to see justice served?
Shortly, You do seem upset about the legal action, don't you want to see justice served?
I'm afraid I can no longer tolerate the immature rantings of TSI. Son, the tone of your posts on PPRUNE proves that you are nothing more than an arrogant buffoon with an overinflated opinion of yourself. The worst legacy of the recruitment ban is that Cathay Pacific was forced to lower its standards and employ idiots such as yourself in order to put bodies in seats. You may believe your colleagues have no balls, but at least they are professionals. GROW UP.
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No Buzzbox you're wrong ...
The worst legacy of the recruitment ban, is threads like this one ... neatly proving to all and sundry that the CX pilot body is now deeply, bitterly divided, and the level of discussion amongst presumably intelligent adults on both sides of the ban has been reduced to making immature comments about who's got the biggest testes. Gee that sort of talk is going to go a looong way towards solving the problems CX pilots are facing right now, and for the next generation.
Management must be just loving it they've got the AOA and non-union pilots exactly where they want them. Sort of like two dogs fighting in a pit ... so busy with your fangs buried in each other's throats, that you totally don't realize that if you could just raise your eyes out of your pit and focus on your masters, you could still, even now, jump out and bite the crooks that are running the show.
Fat chance of that happening while you guys are fighting like cats in a sack over who did what. It's OVER. Why don't you try something radical and start talking to each other, working together, all of you, think about what the next move is going to be, do something proactive rather than reactive for a change? Or would you rather all just sit there bickering like schoolkids for another few months and wait for management to find another excuse to shove the broomstick in another couple of notches?
It may be hard to swallow but you AOA guys need the new joiners on your side now, and believe it or not you new joiners could do worse than actually starting to talk to the union guys and trying to do something constructive to secure your futures. There once was a tradition of CX pilots being the best in the world and proud of it, showing everyone else how it was done. It could still be done again. Even now.
The worst legacy of the recruitment ban, is threads like this one ... neatly proving to all and sundry that the CX pilot body is now deeply, bitterly divided, and the level of discussion amongst presumably intelligent adults on both sides of the ban has been reduced to making immature comments about who's got the biggest testes. Gee that sort of talk is going to go a looong way towards solving the problems CX pilots are facing right now, and for the next generation.
Management must be just loving it they've got the AOA and non-union pilots exactly where they want them. Sort of like two dogs fighting in a pit ... so busy with your fangs buried in each other's throats, that you totally don't realize that if you could just raise your eyes out of your pit and focus on your masters, you could still, even now, jump out and bite the crooks that are running the show.
Fat chance of that happening while you guys are fighting like cats in a sack over who did what. It's OVER. Why don't you try something radical and start talking to each other, working together, all of you, think about what the next move is going to be, do something proactive rather than reactive for a change? Or would you rather all just sit there bickering like schoolkids for another few months and wait for management to find another excuse to shove the broomstick in another couple of notches?
It may be hard to swallow but you AOA guys need the new joiners on your side now, and believe it or not you new joiners could do worse than actually starting to talk to the union guys and trying to do something constructive to secure your futures. There once was a tradition of CX pilots being the best in the world and proud of it, showing everyone else how it was done. It could still be done again. Even now.
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Dear BB. Yes I want to see justice served. But do I think the legal/judicial system gives a fig about justice? Of course they don't, they will only differentiate on matters of law not justice. Indeed any solicitor will assure you that this is the case. No pun intended. I would feel better about the legal cases if I felt they would affect anything tangible in the longer term. They won't, at best the results will make everything worse for all. Whoever wins there will be two sets of losers.
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Ajax - the foaming cleanser.
Reminds me of a 1960's TV ad.
But that context is the issue, as it was black and white.
Get united, and you will get somewhere.
Go with junior, and you will have management salivating.
They know it.
You know it.
The CX pilots are second to none.
But do not pretend your are at the head of heap industrially if you do not stick together.
Reminds me of a 1960's TV ad.
But that context is the issue, as it was black and white.
Get united, and you will get somewhere.
Go with junior, and you will have management salivating.
They know it.
You know it.
The CX pilots are second to none.
But do not pretend your are at the head of heap industrially if you do not stick together.
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oh phulleeeeeze Sub Sonic get real. we wanted to join the AOA but they wouldn't have us. i would still be willing to join but don't think that will happen with the likes of you and BuzzBox running the show. and while we are on the subject of replacement drivers. we were employed and required the same qualifications as you silvertails, so don't cr@p on about Cathay lowering their recruiting standards. the only difference was we were not prepared to be intimidated by a recruitment ban put in place by a misguided and naive union leadership who were prepared to sit back and let command upgrades take place, but considered it poor form for new joiners to replace the positions left from those who took the upgrades from the '49's - disgraceful !
Shortly, I guess when you say both sides will be worse off you're meaning CX and the AOA. You seem to be forgetting that the 49'ers are still represented by the AOA and if they get any recompense through the courts for their financial losses and character assasination they cannot be worse off. Yes, its ashame that lawyers have to get involved and increase everybodies costs but that is the position we are left in.
TSI thanks for confirming that your hypocrisy enables you to replace a 49 F/O.JFO or SO.
TSI thanks for confirming that your hypocrisy enables you to replace a 49 F/O.JFO or SO.
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BusyB,
"the only reason you dont want AOA members to take commands is obviously because you'd be frightened of flying with them"
You must be away with the fairies. You have to try and find some argument dont you. Be real!!
You spout cr..p.
Taking command slots is a blatant set of double standards. There is no two ways about it.
"the only reason you dont want AOA members to take commands is obviously because you'd be frightened of flying with them"
You must be away with the fairies. You have to try and find some argument dont you. Be real!!
You spout cr..p.
Taking command slots is a blatant set of double standards. There is no two ways about it.
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hey aimee
as i said to sub sonic MB, you can call me what you like but i am not the one crying in my beer about something that happened over 13 years ago! 
Do you get the impression that TSI is a real loser?!
Laury, My reply was specific to TSI due his total hypocrisy. If you want to talk fairies thats your privilege.
As far as upgrades of any sort went, the AOA, with the 49'ers input, decided that they were acceptable to keep the balance of AOA and non-AOA pilots within each category for reasons that should be obvious to anyone with a grain of sense. This has all been done to death on Fragrant Harbour in the past and anyone who wants to know more only has to search!. I, personally accept that people will have differing opinions but sometimes one cannot help but rise when abusive idiots start spouting drivel.
As far as upgrades of any sort went, the AOA, with the 49'ers input, decided that they were acceptable to keep the balance of AOA and non-AOA pilots within each category for reasons that should be obvious to anyone with a grain of sense. This has all been done to death on Fragrant Harbour in the past and anyone who wants to know more only has to search!. I, personally accept that people will have differing opinions but sometimes one cannot help but rise when abusive idiots start spouting drivel.