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Cathays 49ers
Does anyone have the latest on the famous CX 49ers???
Seems this subject has been very quiet over the last few months but I briefly read somewhere in a press release regarding CX's new A340-600 that the pilots have had their US law suit thrown out the door by the courts.
Anyone have some more concrete info on this one???
Cheers!
Seems this subject has been very quiet over the last few months but I briefly read somewhere in a press release regarding CX's new A340-600 that the pilots have had their US law suit thrown out the door by the courts.
Anyone have some more concrete info on this one???
Cheers!
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t3953 - This is a very sensitive subject in Hong Kong and amongst Cathay Pacific employees in particular, it concerns 49 pilots who lost their job. Not something to be taken lightly.
As far as I am aware some of the pilots are still in Hong Kong, some have left and found other employment, some have left and are still unemployed.
The pilot's court case in the USA was reported here on PPRuNe to have been thrown out at the first level, I'm not certain how many levels of appeal are now available and remain to be explored.
For more background information and a better idea altogether of what this subject is all about I suggest you thoroughly search this forum. Thanks.
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As far as I am aware some of the pilots are still in Hong Kong, some have left and found other employment, some have left and are still unemployed.
The pilot's court case in the USA was reported here on PPRuNe to have been thrown out at the first level, I'm not certain how many levels of appeal are now available and remain to be explored.
For more background information and a better idea altogether of what this subject is all about I suggest you thoroughly search this forum. Thanks.
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Looks like the hiring ban has not been working very well. I read the following on the Cathay Pacific website :
and,
Due to the enormous response to the advertisement on our website, we are not accepting any further applications at this time.
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Sorry, but here are some better ones:
http://bbs.hkalpa.org/public/default.htm
http://bbs.hkalpa.org/public/ban.htm
http://bbs.hkalpa.org/public/informa...e/5000PM~1.PDF
http://bbs.hkalpa.org/public/default.htm
http://bbs.hkalpa.org/public/ban.htm
http://bbs.hkalpa.org/public/informa...e/5000PM~1.PDF
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The HKAOA "Support from Around the World" list is misleading. As a 16 YR ALPA member I don't remember my union asking my thoughts on the recruitment ban. My fellow ALPA pilots who are, or soon to be out of work, also had no say in this matter, yet they are represented as been in support of this ban. The list also includes APA (American Airlines) as one of their support allies. This is a group that has no problem stapling pilots (TWA) to the bottom of their seniority list then furloughs them. They would do the same to CX if they had the chance. Lift the ban, find better ways to get the 49ers back before you end up with more non union pilots on the property than union pilots.
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Are we forgetting who the "villians" are here fellas? Remember, the DFO stated that the "49ers" were terminated (FIRED) for
All the AOA is/was trying to do (admittedly, rather ineffectively) is protect the 49.
So everyone seems to think that the IFALPA action was wrong. Well, put your (better) ideas here:
1.
And here
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And here...
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"NO PARTICULAR REASON"
So everyone seems to think that the IFALPA action was wrong. Well, put your (better) ideas here:
1.
And here
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And here...
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I do'nt think anyone is disputing that what was done was wrong.
However what is also wrong is the ban. By your own admission the current action(if any) by the AOA is ineffective. Just because the AOA action is ineffective I do'nt think it is fair to use others careers and lives as part of their action when the AOA body cannot resolve the situation. I, and many others, think that the ban is wrong but it is not my responsiblity to come up other ideas. It's the AOA's.
I do'nt think anyone is disputing that what was done was wrong.
However what is also wrong is the ban. By your own admission the current action(if any) by the AOA is ineffective. Just because the AOA action is ineffective I do'nt think it is fair to use others careers and lives as part of their action when the AOA body cannot resolve the situation. I, and many others, think that the ban is wrong but it is not my responsiblity to come up other ideas. It's the AOA's.
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Capt. underpants:
1. let the AOA initiate a strike to support their fellow workers i.e. put up or shut up.
2. stop taking upgrades
3. don't ask new hires to effectively go on strike (forfeit a shot at a career for a major) if the pilot group is not willing to do it thamselves.
This debate is ridiculous, as an ALPA member in the U.S., myself and anyone I have spoken to about the IFALPA ban laugh at the arrogance of the HKAOA in asking people who don't even have a job to fight their fight. As to ALPA's support of the ban, none of us were ever polled for our opinion but I can tell you the AOA garners no respect and much contempt from good standing members of the union for their lack of a backbone.
This is my first post but I felt compelled to write it as I see various references to ALPA's support of the AOA. Don't bet on it we have little tolerance over here for those who don't understand the definition of 'union': "A number of persons or states joined or associated together for common purpose"
1. let the AOA initiate a strike to support their fellow workers i.e. put up or shut up.
2. stop taking upgrades
3. don't ask new hires to effectively go on strike (forfeit a shot at a career for a major) if the pilot group is not willing to do it thamselves.
This debate is ridiculous, as an ALPA member in the U.S., myself and anyone I have spoken to about the IFALPA ban laugh at the arrogance of the HKAOA in asking people who don't even have a job to fight their fight. As to ALPA's support of the ban, none of us were ever polled for our opinion but I can tell you the AOA garners no respect and much contempt from good standing members of the union for their lack of a backbone.
This is my first post but I felt compelled to write it as I see various references to ALPA's support of the AOA. Don't bet on it we have little tolerance over here for those who don't understand the definition of 'union': "A number of persons or states joined or associated together for common purpose"
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I did say BETTER ideas.
1. The majority of AOA members haven't the balls. The suggestion of a strike was D.O.A.
2. 4% (our contribution to support the 49) of (an AOA Member's) Captain salary is better than 4% of (an AOA Member's) F/O salary. Don't be absurd.
3. What if they gave a war and no-one came?
NEXT?
I did say BETTER ideas.
1. The majority of AOA members haven't the balls. The suggestion of a strike was D.O.A.
2. 4% (our contribution to support the 49) of (an AOA Member's) Captain salary is better than 4% of (an AOA Member's) F/O salary. Don't be absurd.
3. What if they gave a war and no-one came?
NEXT?
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The ban is ineffective the AoA are very effective.....at convincing the rest of the aviation world that the AoA members who vehemently support this ban are a bunch of misguided hypocrites...
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1. Stop all industrial action.
2. Change the Committee of the AOA.
3. Admit all the new joiners into the AOA.
At least that would have allowed progress to be made some time ago. Unfortunately(for the AOA) the company seems to be playing with bigger and harder balls. The loss of the court case in Cal, and the almost scathing summarisation by the judge does not leave much hope for higher appeal there. The other overseas 'cases' are (I believe) labour tribunal hearings and so slap on the wrist stuff in all honesty. The court case in HKG is asking the company to leave a better rostering system and return to the even worse one we had before - just petty spin doctor crap, and given HKG's labour record there is no reason to think the AOA will win that one either. Thirteenth month, profit share - yup the AOA will win a lot more friends by screwing with the company now. CX is by no means an ideal place to work but you have to admit it beats the crap out of the majority of the remainder.
2. Change the Committee of the AOA.
3. Admit all the new joiners into the AOA.
At least that would have allowed progress to be made some time ago. Unfortunately(for the AOA) the company seems to be playing with bigger and harder balls. The loss of the court case in Cal, and the almost scathing summarisation by the judge does not leave much hope for higher appeal there. The other overseas 'cases' are (I believe) labour tribunal hearings and so slap on the wrist stuff in all honesty. The court case in HKG is asking the company to leave a better rostering system and return to the even worse one we had before - just petty spin doctor crap, and given HKG's labour record there is no reason to think the AOA will win that one either. Thirteenth month, profit share - yup the AOA will win a lot more friends by screwing with the company now. CX is by no means an ideal place to work but you have to admit it beats the crap out of the majority of the remainder.
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Captain Underpants, I owe you an apology. Prior to reading your last post I thought you were just another unprincipled pilot who thought only of his own lot in life. Now I realise I was too quick to judge and it has now all become clear to me.......AOA members are accepting upgrades in the selfless pursuit of providing a greater salary sacrifice (4%) for their collegues. How could I have been so stupid.
And you wonder why the AOA is held in comtempt.
And you wonder why the AOA is held in comtempt.
All the AOA is/was trying to do (admittedly, rather ineffectively) is protect the 49.
If there is nothing to be done for the 49ers it is tragic but unavoidable. The current position is that the AOA will not do ENOUGH to help them, but will pursue something that WON'T help them in some sort of concious salving, blame shifting exersize.
Creating more victims is in nobodys best interest.