Cathay DEFO

[cygnet78]

Its true.. many more are interested in CX jobs. Just hope that the task force will take charge of the recruitment and accept ALL. those who didnt make it will keep applying after "cooling" period. eventually they all will be accepted.

[Skippy69]

What would happen that if after one was offered a job, the said pilot attempted to negotiate their contract?? Say go to an FO3 pay or ask that they be paid the 2017 rates etc?

[Bekol delay]

What contract Skippy? You are agreeing to a handbook, unilaterally amendable at any time and for any reason. If you don't sign it, then goodbye.

[Skippy69]

If they're short of pilots and you do a good job in the sim (Prior preparation prevents piss poor performance), you meet the requirements (3000 hours min ain't exactly nothing), if you have what they're looking for, and pilot attrition is an issue, why couldn't you ask for a better deal?

I get it, they're Chinese tyrants now, but just an idea, rather than accept what is seemingly a crap sandwich. What if you said you had offers from other airlines? I mean, look at the Australian company Network Aviation, standing up for what a pilot is worth?

[iBlueGoose]

Does anyone know what questions they ask in the Final Interview?

[KABOY]

Originally Posted by Skippy69

If they're short of pilots and you do a good job in the sim (Prior preparation prevents piss poor performance), you meet the requirements (3000 hours min ain't exactly nothing), if you have what they're looking for, and pilot attrition is an issue, why couldn't you ask for a better deal?

I get it, they're Chinese tyrants now, but just an idea, rather than accept what is seemingly a crap sandwich. What if you said you had offers from other airlines? I mean, look at the Australian company Network Aviation, standing up for what a pilot is worth?

The only problem with your line of thinking is that you are not supported on a contractual level. They can agree to your terms and write a letter accepting this, but then revoke it through a notice stating that all new employees will be employed under xxx terms.

The point here is this is not a contract, unlike your fellow pilots at Network who are trying to improve a contract.

CX employ pilots under a handbook, try and find a definition of that and what protections it affords you ( HINT: look inside the document and its only there you will find it)

[Bekol delay]

Originally Posted by Skippy69

If they're short of pilots and you do a good job in the sim (Prior preparation prevents piss poor performance), you meet the requirements (3000 hours min ain't exactly nothing), if you have what they're looking for, and pilot attrition is an issue, why couldn't you ask for a better deal?

I get it, they're Chinese tyrants now, but just an idea, rather than accept what is seemingly a crap sandwich. What if you said you had offers from other airlines? I mean, look at the Australian company Network Aviation, standing up for what a pilot is worth?

Pilot retention is a massive issue, trainers are refused sabbaticals, or to resign from training, so they leave. CNs have no control over rosters or annual leave, they leave. FO's same same. SO upgrade times are still around 6 years and they are watching DEFO/DEC get hired ahead of them.

These are crew whom CX has had for years, they know the standard and have sailed through all the old CX requirements and they are walking out the door, yet nothing is being done to stop it.

Good luck on getting your magical FO3, when all the old SFOs were demoted back to FO2 (the top one that exists)

[Skippy69]

It's no secret that absolutely once upon a time Cathay was a world leader but now, with the way that COS18 was forced on people- pilots took action with their feet and left. Cathay certainly have a feeling of desperation to get pilots. And have tarnished what was a pretty glittering reputation as a an attractive company to build a career at.
I do have a feeling though, that especially amongst SO's that join they are very much chasing,"Yes" men and women as opposed to professionals who perhaps know their worth and also lack the shiny jet syndrome.

Can anyone who is a bit clever give some form of breakdown in what salaries where pre Covid in comparison to now?

I don't mean with percentages, but dollars, and then obviously there is inflation to be annually added.

Also, how does the base Salary @ HKD$900,000 stack up against living a life in Hong Kong?

[cygnet78]

no one will tell. its so good that your eyes will blink. it remains a well kept secret for decades.