Command on A320
Joined: Apr 2012
Posts: 23
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From: Not in HKG
No Ex KA pilot should ever get a command in Cathay.
the KA pilot group ran like little children to the immigration department to start a case against active CX pilots.
pilots who were years in CX, even only on a base, never did the time in HKG
SO didn’t get renewals for their visum
and and and.
so when COVID hit no PR and bye bye, well doen KA pilotes
Basically the KA pilot group are responsible for a lot !!!! happening in CX, it cost CX pilots a lot of stress and CX a lot of money.
no Ex KA driver should ever have an Command and should be made cat D immediately.
but
they will go well with CX management and slime their way up.
the KA pilot group ran like little children to the immigration department to start a case against active CX pilots.
pilots who were years in CX, even only on a base, never did the time in HKG
SO didn’t get renewals for their visum
and and and.
so when COVID hit no PR and bye bye, well doen KA pilotes
Basically the KA pilot group are responsible for a lot !!!! happening in CX, it cost CX pilots a lot of stress and CX a lot of money.
no Ex KA driver should ever have an Command and should be made cat D immediately.
but
they will go well with CX management and slime their way up.
Have a few more Jimmy.
Hope you never have to go through what the KA group and their families did.
Some of those that were kept, were needed to get the 320 disaster up and running, you can get rid of those managers now. How ever leave the others alone, they are just trying to crawl their lives back together.
Joined: Apr 2018
Posts: 12
Likes: 0
From: HK
No Ex KA pilot should ever get a command in Cathay.
the KA pilot group ran like little children to the immigration department to start a case against active CX pilots.
pilots who were years in CX, even only on a base, never did the time in HKG
SO didn’t get renewals for their visum
and and and.
so when COVID hit no PR and bye bye, well doen KA pilotes
Basically the KA pilot group are responsible for a lot !!!! happening in CX, it cost CX pilots a lot of stress and CX a lot of money.
no Ex KA driver should ever have an Command and should be made cat D immediately.
but
they will go well with CX management and slime their way up.
the KA pilot group ran like little children to the immigration department to start a case against active CX pilots.
pilots who were years in CX, even only on a base, never did the time in HKG
SO didn’t get renewals for their visum
and and and.
so when COVID hit no PR and bye bye, well doen KA pilotes
Basically the KA pilot group are responsible for a lot !!!! happening in CX, it cost CX pilots a lot of stress and CX a lot of money.
no Ex KA driver should ever have an Command and should be made cat D immediately.
but
they will go well with CX management and slime their way up.
Joined: Oct 2020
Posts: 3
Likes: 0
From: London
No Ex KA pilot should ever get a command in Cathay.
the KA pilot group ran like little children to the immigration department to start a case against active CX pilots.
pilots who were years in CX, even only on a base, never did the time in HKG
SO didn’t get renewals for their visum
and and and.
so when COVID hit no PR and bye bye, well doen KA pilotes
Basically the KA pilot group are responsible for a lot !!!! happening in CX, it cost CX pilots a lot of stress and CX a lot of money.
no Ex KA driver should ever have an Command and should be made cat D immediately.
but
they will go well with CX management and slime their way up.
the KA pilot group ran like little children to the immigration department to start a case against active CX pilots.
pilots who were years in CX, even only on a base, never did the time in HKG
SO didn’t get renewals for their visum
and and and.
so when COVID hit no PR and bye bye, well doen KA pilotes
Basically the KA pilot group are responsible for a lot !!!! happening in CX, it cost CX pilots a lot of stress and CX a lot of money.
no Ex KA driver should ever have an Command and should be made cat D immediately.
but
they will go well with CX management and slime their way up.
I hope you lose your job Jimmy. Give you a taste of what "a lot of stress" really is.
Joined: Jan 2017
Posts: 29
Likes: 0
From: Moonbase A
The entitled KA boys seem to forget that because of their actions at the Immigration department they actively are responsible for 1000+ pilots losing their jobs when the bases closed. No HK PR, bye bye.
even after 20+ years in CX.
and now they all are entitled to a fast command.
Hell No.
KA pilots are seriously responsible of ******* with careers in CX even when they were not there.
so again,
Ex KA should never get a command and actively avoided and cat D ed.
Joined: Oct 2020
Posts: 3
Likes: 0
From: London
Exactly,
The entitled KA boys seem to forget that because of their actions at the Immigration department they actively are responsible for 1000+ pilots losing their jobs when the bases closed. No HK PR, bye bye.
even after 20+ years in CX.
and now they all are entitled to a fast command.
Hell No.
KA pilots are seriously responsible of ******* with careers in CX even when they were not there.
so again,
Ex KA should never get a command and actively avoided and cat D ed.
The entitled KA boys seem to forget that because of their actions at the Immigration department they actively are responsible for 1000+ pilots losing their jobs when the bases closed. No HK PR, bye bye.
even after 20+ years in CX.
and now they all are entitled to a fast command.
Hell No.
KA pilots are seriously responsible of ******* with careers in CX even when they were not there.
so again,
Ex KA should never get a command and actively avoided and cat D ed.
Joined: Apr 2018
Posts: 12
Likes: 0
From: HK
I find it hilarious nowadays pilots are going against each other but not the management for their questionable decisions.
With some exceptions, most CX pilots worked 20+ years would have probably lived in Hong Kong for more than 7 years. Any reason for not applying PR?
Besides, the requests they put to IMMD were simply asking the gov to enforce the exisitng General Employment Policy. Most civilised countries put their local/people with PR before expats with work visa.
Will be interesting to see one day if you lose your job, will you be sitting on your hands and accept your fate?
There were many other ways the management could have put everyone in a better position. For instance, perhaps no pay leave instead of redundancy? That would have probably avoided the narrow body and media disaster. Let’s just say im not suprised to see people protecting their rights when you force them into survival mode.
For command upgrades, if you don’t have the hours, you don’t have the hours. simple as that. Puting the next one up following seniority seems to be making sense to me. I would very much prefer it to be in this way than introducing DECs.
With some exceptions, most CX pilots worked 20+ years would have probably lived in Hong Kong for more than 7 years. Any reason for not applying PR?
Besides, the requests they put to IMMD were simply asking the gov to enforce the exisitng General Employment Policy. Most civilised countries put their local/people with PR before expats with work visa.
Will be interesting to see one day if you lose your job, will you be sitting on your hands and accept your fate?
There were many other ways the management could have put everyone in a better position. For instance, perhaps no pay leave instead of redundancy? That would have probably avoided the narrow body and media disaster. Let’s just say im not suprised to see people protecting their rights when you force them into survival mode.
For command upgrades, if you don’t have the hours, you don’t have the hours. simple as that. Puting the next one up following seniority seems to be making sense to me. I would very much prefer it to be in this way than introducing DECs.
Last edited by Dragon_Delight; 16th June 2023 at 17:09.
Joined: Jan 2017
Posts: 29
Likes: 0
From: Moonbase A
plenty of non KA drivers in CX with the hours. who joined CX before you. No need to jump the que.
and yes there were CX drivers who were on a base with no PR for more then 20 years, which were let go.
you only asked the immigration department bla bla bla.
Point is it was done and actively underwritten by plenty KA drivers.
You don’t seem to realise you are responsible of 1000+ pilots let go on the bases, with no PR.
So stop your whining. And Man up.
those are the fact
Joined: Feb 2006
Posts: 461
Likes: 129
From: Bottom of the Harbour
You seem to be the “intelligent” one.
plenty of non KA drivers in CX with the hours. who joined CX before you. No need to jump the que.
and yes there were CX drivers who were on a base with no PR for more then 20 years, which were let go.
you only asked the immigration department bla bla bla.
Point is it was done and actively underwritten by plenty KA drivers.
You don’t seem to realise you are responsible of 1000+ pilots let go on the bases, with no PR.
So stop your whining. And Man up.
those are the fact
plenty of non KA drivers in CX with the hours. who joined CX before you. No need to jump the que.
and yes there were CX drivers who were on a base with no PR for more then 20 years, which were let go.
you only asked the immigration department bla bla bla.
Point is it was done and actively underwritten by plenty KA drivers.
You don’t seem to realise you are responsible of 1000+ pilots let go on the bases, with no PR.
So stop your whining. And Man up.
those are the fact
The damage was done by your current executive management, with the chairman currently reaping in his $24MHKD per year. But let's not look into the semantics of this, after all he promised Carrie no job losses and walked away with a couple of billion, then slashed a couple thousand jobs. So be grateful you are still working in this toxic place, it could have been you looking for a job over the border.
Having pilots working for a HK carrier with no PR, whilst sacking pilots with PR living in HK was never going to work, do I need to say it again(fool)! This was Carrie's last play after Healy made a fool of her.
"Before a man speaks it is always safe to assume that he is a fool. After he speaks, it is seldom necessary to assume it." —HL Mencken
Last edited by KABOY; 17th June 2023 at 02:22.
Joined: Mar 2016
Posts: 193
Likes: 1
From: Rabbit Hutch
Being employed on a base by CX can in no way confer employment rights in HK, to support a work visa for ex CX based pilots would require lying on the company’s supporting documentation that there were no available suitable candidates locally. That would be a criminal offence. Eventually the company gave a job to every suitable applicant ex KA which meant that supporting visa applications is now legal.
The based pilots now have a good deal in that they can come back in their previous rank and pay.
The KA pilots were merely making sure that immigration knew they were qualified and available, they were looking after their own interests and why shouldn’t they?
The based pilots now have a good deal in that they can come back in their previous rank and pay.
The KA pilots were merely making sure that immigration knew they were qualified and available, they were looking after their own interests and why shouldn’t they?
Joined: Apr 2002
Aviation Qualifications: PPL
Posts: 734
Likes: 28
From: Australia
When I left last night I saw a lot of green tailed kit strewn around the aerodrome, some of it obviously still moth-balled. The last 4 sectors I have been on were all 100% full. Surely there is enough work for everyone who wants to work under the current crap T&C's. As hard as it may be, might I respectfully suggest less "rear-vision-mirror" and more "bury-the-hatchet". Guessing the training section is totally overwhelmed but the future starts today not 3 years ago. Good luck to you all. FWIW.
Joined: Apr 2018
Posts: 12
Likes: 0
From: HK
You seem to be the “intelligent” one.
plenty of non KA drivers in CX with the hours. who joined CX before you. No need to jump the que.
and yes there were CX drivers who were on a base with no PR for more then 20 years, which were let go.
you only asked the immigration department bla bla bla.
Point is it was done and actively underwritten by plenty KA drivers.
You don’t seem to realise you are responsible of 1000+ pilots let go on the bases, with no PR.
So stop your whining. And Man up.
those are the fact
plenty of non KA drivers in CX with the hours. who joined CX before you. No need to jump the que.
and yes there were CX drivers who were on a base with no PR for more then 20 years, which were let go.
you only asked the immigration department bla bla bla.
Point is it was done and actively underwritten by plenty KA drivers.
You don’t seem to realise you are responsible of 1000+ pilots let go on the bases, with no PR.
So stop your whining. And Man up.
those are the fact
at the end of the day you always have the option to go home. locals here have nowhere else to go.
Last edited by Dragon_Delight; 17th June 2023 at 07:51.
Joined: Apr 2018
Posts: 12
Likes: 0
From: HK
or maybe you just left them out on purpose.
speaking of which, putting local qualified candidates on non type rated fleet is another management decision again
Joined: May 2019
Posts: 478
Likes: 87
From: Aust
Exactly,
The entitled KA boys seem to forget that because of their actions at the Immigration department they actively are responsible for 1000+ pilots losing their jobs when the bases closed. No HK PR, bye bye.
even after 20+ years in CX.
and now they all are entitled to a fast command.
Hell No.
KA pilots are seriously responsible of ******* with careers in CX even when they were not there.
so again,
Ex KA should never get a command and actively avoided and cat D ed.
The entitled KA boys seem to forget that because of their actions at the Immigration department they actively are responsible for 1000+ pilots losing their jobs when the bases closed. No HK PR, bye bye.
even after 20+ years in CX.
and now they all are entitled to a fast command.
Hell No.
KA pilots are seriously responsible of ******* with careers in CX even when they were not there.
so again,
Ex KA should never get a command and actively avoided and cat D ed.
But I am sorry that I never got the chance to **** any current CX toddlers, I would have worn it as a badge of honour, as would most CX crews of the time.
Joined: Sep 2001
Posts: 288
Likes: 9
From: Oz
No Ex KA pilot should ever get a command in Cathay.
the KA pilot group ran like little children to the immigration department to start a case against active CX pilots.
pilots who were years in CX, even only on a base, never did the time in HKG
SO didn’t get renewals for their visum
and and and.
so when COVID hit no PR and bye bye, well doen KA pilotes
Basically the KA pilot group are responsible for a lot !!!! happening in CX, it cost CX pilots a lot of stress and CX a lot of money.
no Ex KA driver should ever have an Command and should be made cat D immediately.
but
they will go well with CX management and slime their way up.
the KA pilot group ran like little children to the immigration department to start a case against active CX pilots.
pilots who were years in CX, even only on a base, never did the time in HKG
SO didn’t get renewals for their visum
and and and.
so when COVID hit no PR and bye bye, well doen KA pilotes
Basically the KA pilot group are responsible for a lot !!!! happening in CX, it cost CX pilots a lot of stress and CX a lot of money.
no Ex KA driver should ever have an Command and should be made cat D immediately.
but
they will go well with CX management and slime their way up.
The rationale of your clearly twisted phsyche is truly bewildering - this from your post of August 2018 :
Brake adjuster,
I was part of the Dragon Cargo mob, and proud to have flown with such a nice bunch on FEs they all made a my day easy as a captain on the classic. Excellent bunch of people from various backgrounds.
Sadly I find your sense of entitlement to a job with Dragon amazing. Like you are gods gift to aviation!
We had initially 3 and later 4 classics so limited jobs available.
maybe you should have gotten your thumb out off your xxx and applied earlier.
I assume you joined CX as a DEC when you came across from KA ?
So which camp is it ace, or do you just hate everyone ?
I have some great memories left in HKG but I’m grateful every day I’m out of the toxic work culture that now prevails.
Last edited by Australia2; 18th June 2023 at 02:02.
Joined: Mar 2021
Posts: 175
Likes: 25
From: Hk
Ultimately, it beggars belief that some people from a separate, folded airline think they’re entitled to anything at Cathay.
Glad I’m out of the hell hole.
