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the DEFOs will only need 500h company providing that they are RQ, to apply for command, which will might come at the same time.
The DEFOs joining CX from a CX group company will get priority over other DEFOs. Management mentioned the rule of 3years minimum (not written anywhere though).
The seniority is still the first consideration, but as many new FOs (previously SO) won’t reach the requirements on time, they gonna pick the DEFOs, depending on experience and performance. Thats what happen when you don’t have enough pilots.
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where did you get that info? 3000h/2400h is FO2, just a different salary.
the DEFOs will only need 500h company providing that they are RQ, to apply for command, which will might come at the same time.
The DEFOs joining CX from a CX group company will get priority over other DEFOs. Management mentioned the rule of 3years minimum (not written anywhere though).
The seniority is still the first consideration, but as many new FOs (previously SO) won’t reach the requirements on time, they gonna pick the DEFOs, depending on experience and performance. Thats what happen when you don’t have enough pilots.
the DEFOs will only need 500h company providing that they are RQ, to apply for command, which will might come at the same time.
The DEFOs joining CX from a CX group company will get priority over other DEFOs. Management mentioned the rule of 3years minimum (not written anywhere though).
The seniority is still the first consideration, but as many new FOs (previously SO) won’t reach the requirements on time, they gonna pick the DEFOs, depending on experience and performance. Thats what happen when you don’t have enough pilots.
This is a very major decision factor on the star chamber for the last 2 years. Less experience and performance helps you get selected. Because you have less of a chance to get hired elsewhere anytime soon.
It is unlikely that the ex KA pilots will upgrade ahead of seniority. There are plenty of FO’s reaching the 4000 hour mark who have been in cathay for 9+ years and they should be prioritised. Combine that with the lack of trainers and sectors , it will probably be 3-4 years before they can upgrade to captain to be optimistic. Realistically probably more like 5-7 years. CX needs to look after its own before accommodating outsiders. KA was shutdown and it was a terrible shame but that should not impact the existing CX crew who have been waiting patiently for an upgrade. The KA pilots got a decent payout when the curtains came down and there are plenty of opportunities in GBA or HKE if they want a fast track command.
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Seniority (not that it exists anymore) is or was one of the most important factors in any airline. In simple terms, you join you get a number, start at the bottom and slowly but surely tick your way up the list. As you go up the list your salary increase and so your command slot comes closer and closer. It should be easy to see, not hidden or some managers secret etc. If I'm an F/O and there are 100 people in front of me before command, and the airline is retiring 20 Captains a year, then I can easily work out that I have 5 years to wait for command if things stay the same.
I do not agree with other pilots being hired and slotting in anywhere the manager sees fit, that is not on. Hire new people if the company needs it by all means, but you start at the bottom like everyone else and work your way up. IF the company desperately needs a Captain and can't find any suitable candidates then they may hire a DEC, but that should be an exception not a rule.
I was hired as a DEC of an airline long long ago, only because there were no F/O's who qualified to be Captain because of the requirements, so I was an exception but not a rule.
I do not agree with other pilots being hired and slotting in anywhere the manager sees fit, that is not on. Hire new people if the company needs it by all means, but you start at the bottom like everyone else and work your way up. IF the company desperately needs a Captain and can't find any suitable candidates then they may hire a DEC, but that should be an exception not a rule.
I was hired as a DEC of an airline long long ago, only because there were no F/O's who qualified to be Captain because of the requirements, so I was an exception but not a rule.
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Im ex Ka, now swinging my ding a ling elsewhere in the world. Its sad that nothings changed since I left KA. We’ll on pprune, I mean. Bickering over the cos, seniority , rank . What a pointless waste of your energy, guys.
The game has changed. Some of us will not fly again, wether out of choice or otherwise. Some old school guys I know are actually on their way back to cx, tails firmly planted between legs.
enjoy the good things, the low taxation, the overnight massages, a few beers & bitch .
For soon enough, it will end, you’ll look back and think, what on earth did I do with all those years other than moaning and whining . Its not so bad in CX, just play the game. Their game.
The game has changed. Some of us will not fly again, wether out of choice or otherwise. Some old school guys I know are actually on their way back to cx, tails firmly planted between legs.
enjoy the good things, the low taxation, the overnight massages, a few beers & bitch .
For soon enough, it will end, you’ll look back and think, what on earth did I do with all those years other than moaning and whining . Its not so bad in CX, just play the game. Their game.
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Im ex Ka, now swinging my ding a ling elsewhere in the world. Its sad that nothings changed since I left KA. We’ll on pprune, I mean. Bickering over the cos, seniority , rank . What a pointless waste of your energy, guys.
The game has changed. Some of us will not fly again, wether out of choice or otherwise. Some old school guys I know are actually on their way back to cx, tails firmly planted between legs.
enjoy the good things, the low taxation, the overnight massages, a few beers & bitch .
For soon enough, it will end, you’ll look back and think, what on earth did I do with all those years other than moaning and whining . Its not so bad in CX, just play the game. Their game.
The game has changed. Some of us will not fly again, wether out of choice or otherwise. Some old school guys I know are actually on their way back to cx, tails firmly planted between legs.
enjoy the good things, the low taxation, the overnight massages, a few beers & bitch .
For soon enough, it will end, you’ll look back and think, what on earth did I do with all those years other than moaning and whining . Its not so bad in CX, just play the game. Their game.
Im not the smartest person in the world but I know enough to project my finances till retirement and CX under COS18 will not give me that opportunity, I really don’t want to go into sim instructing (CX or another company) till I drop dead.
“Oh you should be smarter with your finances” - Yes I was when I was employed under COS08 and the ability to save money, invest and have a QOL, but now under COS18, I’m faced with increasing difficult decisions. Such as: Do I stay in HK with my family and lose the QOL as I won’t be saving much, or do I move my family back to my home country so they can have a QOL and I see them maybe once every month and miss out on precious moments? Or do I move to another company that provided me with what CX did previously prior to COS18?
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I don’t know why you can’t see the obvious. When I look back I want to see that my hard work has paid off not destroyed by a POS Swire frog. I want to retire comfortably. CX under the new COS doesn’t offer that.
Im not the smartest person in the world but I know enough to project my finances till retirement and CX under COS18 will not give me that opportunity, I really don’t want to go into sim instructing (CX or another company) till I drop dead.
“Oh you should be smarter with your finances” - Yes I was when I was employed under COS08 and the ability to save money, invest and have a QOL, but now under COS18, I’m faced with increasing difficult decisions. Such as: Do I stay in HK with my family and lose the QOL as I won’t be saving much, or do I move my family back to my home country so they can have a QOL and I see them maybe once every month and miss out on precious moments? Or do I move to another company that provided me with what CX did previously prior to COS18?
Im not the smartest person in the world but I know enough to project my finances till retirement and CX under COS18 will not give me that opportunity, I really don’t want to go into sim instructing (CX or another company) till I drop dead.
“Oh you should be smarter with your finances” - Yes I was when I was employed under COS08 and the ability to save money, invest and have a QOL, but now under COS18, I’m faced with increasing difficult decisions. Such as: Do I stay in HK with my family and lose the QOL as I won’t be saving much, or do I move my family back to my home country so they can have a QOL and I see them maybe once every month and miss out on precious moments? Or do I move to another company that provided me with what CX did previously prior to COS18?
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I agree with RAT, the answer is C.
Cathay ceased being a first world employer of pilots long ago. Their disdain for pilots is palatable, aided by a ring of sycophantic mid managers who sacrifice their dignity to implement policies that diminish operational standards along with pay and benefits. The Dunning-Kruger effect is well entrenched and on display among them.
You should feel pride working for a first class employer, as we once did; pride in providing a high standard in quality of life for your family; pride in wearing the uniform; pride in the knowledge that you were hired and promoted by meeting the highest standard of excellence in aviation. Instead, you feel trapped and stuck in a penny pinching environment with no light at the end of the tunnel; where you are not respected, certainly not appreciated, and under the thumb of those with a warped sense of right and wrong.
Free yourself and your families. Move back to your home country or to any western jurisdiction to rediscover happiness, self-worth and psychological well-being.
Cathay ceased being a first world employer of pilots long ago. Their disdain for pilots is palatable, aided by a ring of sycophantic mid managers who sacrifice their dignity to implement policies that diminish operational standards along with pay and benefits. The Dunning-Kruger effect is well entrenched and on display among them.
You should feel pride working for a first class employer, as we once did; pride in providing a high standard in quality of life for your family; pride in wearing the uniform; pride in the knowledge that you were hired and promoted by meeting the highest standard of excellence in aviation. Instead, you feel trapped and stuck in a penny pinching environment with no light at the end of the tunnel; where you are not respected, certainly not appreciated, and under the thumb of those with a warped sense of right and wrong.
Free yourself and your families. Move back to your home country or to any western jurisdiction to rediscover happiness, self-worth and psychological well-being.
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I say it's all hypocritical bs. Nobody was ever proud or felt respected, It was always down to money and only money. And don't get me started on those complaining for years while still staying or those who endured their time, left with money but now morally lecture others. What a farcical joke.
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Rather change the job then..
Guys Tell me in which Airline you earn good money, you feel respected, etc.. the World has changed as the industry, so adapt or change your job. Resilience 😅
Guys Tell me in which Airline you earn good money, you feel respected, etc.. the World has changed as the industry, so adapt or change your job. Resilience 😅
Outside of Hong Kong and dare I say it….Asia, there is actually places where pilot remuneration hasn’t gone backwards but actually improved.
So yeah, resilience is required if you suck up what CX offers.
Anyone that lasts with CX is truly resilient or myopic.
Bur Cx needed to go backwards because they were so far ahead right?
That Cos 18 adjustment has truly been benchmarked on a global level with all those changes.. and changes that most regulators outside of Asia would reject on safety grounds.
Cathay Pacific, mainland China’s world airline, built on the values of todays modern day communism.
I work for a company that allows me to put 2 children through private schools of my choice, live in a house that is 3000 sq/ft, sail my 45 ft yacht on my part time roster(2 weeks ON/OFF). I have an excellent provident fund and my terms are considered full time for the purpose of leave.
You wouldn't even know the name of the company I work for. Not all companies need to be an EK, QR or similar because these opportunities are there for those who 'dare to explore'.
You wouldn't even know the name of the company I work for. Not all companies need to be an EK, QR or similar because these opportunities are there for those who 'dare to explore'.
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I work for a company that allows me to put 2 children through private schools of my choice, live in a house that is 3000 sq/ft, sail my 45 ft yacht on my part time roster(2 weeks ON/OFF). I have an excellent provident fund and my terms are considered full time for the purpose of leave.
You wouldn't even know the name of the company I work for. Not all companies need to be an EK, QR or similar because these opportunities are there for those who 'dare to explore'.
You wouldn't even know the name of the company I work for. Not all companies need to be an EK, QR or similar because these opportunities are there for those who 'dare to explore'.
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I work for a company that allows me to put 2 children through private schools of my choice, live in a house that is 3000 sq/ft, sail my 45 ft yacht on my part time roster(2 weeks ON/OFF). I have an excellent provident fund and my terms are considered full time for the purpose of leave.
You wouldn't even know the name of the company I work for. Not all companies need to be an EK, QR or similar because these opportunities are there for those who 'dare to explore'.
You wouldn't even know the name of the company I work for. Not all companies need to be an EK, QR or similar because these opportunities are there for those who 'dare to explore'.
Purple Tie Sabbatical for SO's. You'd be brave. The choice of words says it all really. Might be the right move for some looking to move past P2X time, but would you ever see a wide body course for the rest of your career? Who Knows? No guarantee of anything under the magnificent amendable handbook we find ourselves attached to.
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Purple Tie Sabbatical for SO's. You'd be brave. The choice of words says it all really. Might be the right move for some looking to move past P2X time, but would you ever see a wide body course for the rest of your career? Who Knows? No guarantee of anything under the magnificent amendable handbook we find ourselves attached to.