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Recruitment for DEFO and DESO

Old 2nd Jun 2022, 06:34
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Recruitment for DEFO and DESO

So it seems like the resignation rate has gotten a little too high for GHs liking and there is now a recruitment push for more SOs and FOs without the PR requirement. Im sure there will be a long queue of FOs waiting to be locked up
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Old 2nd Jun 2022, 07:16
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Good TRs to have, a bit of heavy time and then they can apply to Atlas !
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Old 2nd Jun 2022, 07:33
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It has not been more clear that the PR requirement was created ONLY to satisfy the HK Immigration!
Now that the experienced guys are leaving at a rate of knots and they couldn't find enough locals to fill the jobs, they could easily take it down without being summoned by the Immigration. Smart move. Good luck with that tho.
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Old 28th Jun 2022, 06:36
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From a Comair mate asking about CX after a presentation a few days back.

CX suggested to DEFO candidates with a lot of experience - Comair pilots in this case - a fast track career to command based on experience.

I have also heard this has been said to ex Dragon CNs rehired as DEFOs.

So, after the fast track SO to FO upgrade out of seniority, here comes the fast track command upgrade out of seniority.


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Old 28th Jun 2022, 06:38
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Originally Posted by Airblast View Post
From a Comair mate asking about CX after a presentation a few days back.

CX suggested to DEFO candidates with a lot of experience - Comair pilots in this case - a fast track career to command based on experience.

I have also heard this has been said to ex Dragon CNs rehired as DEFOs.

So, after the fast track SO to FO upgrade out of seniority, here comes the fast track command upgrade out of seniority.

Nothing should come as a surprise. How did you think they would rebuild the outfit ? Assuming that it is able to be rebuilt. ?
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Old 28th Jun 2022, 08:10
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Why do people continually use seniority and Cathay in the same post
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Old 28th Jun 2022, 10:03
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Seniority was gone the moment everyone signed Cos18. CX is no longer a career airline.
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Old 28th Jun 2022, 10:14
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Originally Posted by cxflog View Post
Seniority was gone the moment everyone signed Cos18. CX is no longer a career airline.

Seniority was gone long before that.
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Old 28th Jun 2022, 11:11
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There is no more seniority as said about. What about the UO Guys inked in to move across as well? Not just rumours? It sounds like we are so short that even poaching isn't off the books.
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Old 28th Jun 2022, 11:22
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We all know it is the big carrot to get pilots to join.
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Old 28th Jun 2022, 12:40
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Originally Posted by Rie View Post
There is no more seniority as said about. What about the UO Guys inked in to move across as well? Not just rumours? It sounds like we are so short that even poaching isn't off the books.
The UO guys will need to get behind all the LD (AHK) guys who are already inked in
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Old 28th Jun 2022, 13:10
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Originally Posted by Airblast View Post
From a Comair mate asking about CX after a presentation a few days back.

CX suggested to DEFO candidates with a lot of experience - Comair pilots in this case - a fast track career to command based on experience.

I have also heard this has been said to ex Dragon CNs rehired as DEFOs.

So, after the fast track SO to FO upgrade out of seniority, here comes the fast track command upgrade out of seniority.
I witnessed this debacle live and was amazed by the amount of misinformation presented by the current GMF and by the amount of candidates who genuinely seemed interested in taking up a position at CX. Here are a few points that stood out to me from that presentation:

- Firstly, the meeting was presented by TB and four other secretaries. No pilots present during a pilot recruitment presentation...immediate red flags (TB doesn't count IMO)
- Comair candidates will not do any sort of assessment in HK, including simulator. All assessments will be done online. You arrive in HK, do quarantine and then you start your training. "We assuming you'll be able to fly an aeroplane" - TB
- CX will receive the new Boeing 777 in 2024. I'm sure the last update from Boeing was for the new variant to be released globally in 2025. Maybe he knows something they don't.
- When talking about staff travel benefits, he gave the following example: HKG-JNB in J class - costs 1,000 HKD. I've paid more for "Free Of Charge" tickets.
- TB also stated that the public health system in HK is so good that it's actually a reason why many people choose to retire in HK. I spilled some coffee with this one.
- Regarding housing, he made it clear that HK offers a diverse variety of places to live. Not everyone chooses to live on HK Island with all the busy city life. You can choose to live on South Lantau, where he lives, and where there's "pristine white beaches." He did not mention CoS18.

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Old 28th Jun 2022, 14:47
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I witnessed this debacle live and was amazed by the amount of misinformation presented by the current GMF and by the amount of candidates who genuinely seemed interested in taking up a position at CX.
I saw a couple of slides and it states that a Package for an FO is $HKD 1.61 mil. It says that FOs get 42 Days annual leave. Flexible Benefits cover.

From day 1 CX is already lying! You will NOT earn $1.61 mil if youre on a pax fleet not for a long time, the rostering system is specifically tailored to keep everyone slightly below min productivity hours, youll be lucky to make anything above min basic salary per month. This is block hours, for example, a Shanghai is about a 14 hour day out in the current climate, only 6ish hours are recognised. Food for thought.

Annual leave for first officers is 35 days not 42 days, another lie.

Healthcare - lets just say, the doctors here in the public sector are close to useless. Classic run of the mill and if they dont know what it is theyll throw their hands up in the air and send you to an equally useless specialist in about 2 years. But My family and I will have private insurance through the company! Yes you do, but make sure you dont stay in hospital for more than a day or see a specialist more than 3 times because thats when youll hit your limits without being informed and realise the company will be deducting $$$$ out of your salary that youll probably be paying back for years to come. (This is from first hand experience).

Even in the EK roadshows they will tell you hey well work you hard and we are up front about it and dont expect to commute because were going to restrict the roster to not allow it.
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Old 28th Jun 2022, 15:36
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'We assume you can fly an aeroplane' no sim eval, straight into training

I won't sleep a wink in the bunk
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Old 28th Jun 2022, 15:51
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But how many RA55 would accept RA65?
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Old 28th Jun 2022, 16:08
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Why would CX go to the trouble of hiring unknowns from Comair when they could offer to rehire those on bases that they fired recently? These are pilots with years in the company and HK licenses. Granted many would not accept, but have any been offered the chance to return?
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Old 28th Jun 2022, 16:30
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Because they are cheaper and their restricted passport makes them the more loyal employee.
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Old 28th Jun 2022, 18:33
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How cheaper Sam? Surely everyone is on the same contract now? CX can offer ex employers the same terms as a new joiner and save time and money on training. As for 'loyal employees', I doubt loyalty is a concept that any CX senior manager spends much time thinking about..
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Old 28th Jun 2022, 18:59
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Might not be possible to recruit West-Europeans or North Americans on Cos18. And loyal means less retraining costs..
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Old 28th Jun 2022, 19:09
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Originally Posted by Sam Ting Wong View Post
Because they are cheaper and their restricted passport makes them the more loyal employee.
Exactly this. Most if not all of the South Africans while they despise Hong Kong are only waiting for the 7 years before departing. CX gets min 7 years from them vs a European that realises after 2 that its been a failed excursion and leaves.
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