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50% pay cuts

Old 23rd Mar 2022, 08:45
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50% pay cuts

Crew should stop flights until mgmt take 50% indefinite paycuts immediately to realign with industry norms.
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Old 23rd Mar 2022, 09:11
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Good luck with that.
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Old 29th Mar 2022, 01:54
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Crew should stop flights until mgmt take 50% indefinite paycuts immediately to realign with industry norms.
Watch closely from 21:16 onward

#CXit

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Old 29th Mar 2022, 03:38
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Tucker Carlson is the devil
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Old 29th Mar 2022, 05:53
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Pilot shortages

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Tucker Carlson is the devil
Ad hominem attacks simply elucidate your low level position in the hierarchy of CX and Hong Kong professionals.. You sir are nugatory
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Old 29th Mar 2022, 06:16
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He really is though.
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Old 29th Mar 2022, 10:42
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One of the most profound and disturbing pieces of journalism i've ever seen. Perhaps you should take the time to watch it STW.
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Old 29th Mar 2022, 12:58
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Tucker Carlson is a far right wing advocat of everything you can spin against the political opponent. The purpose is to daily fuel hatred and anger against the political opponent, not to solve problems or lead to progress.

The only useful thing in the story is that the US has a pilot shortage.

The rest is B.S. Has nothing to do with a vaccine mandate, but T.C.'s existence is to put such spins on every story.

The US has a pilot shortage because:
- less military pilots
- thousands of early retirements in wake of the covid travel bump, heavily supported by the companies at the time, which now seem to regret
- waaaaaaaaay to many small aircraft in the market: as far as I know, ~50% of all US majors movements a day are flown by regional jets. This has a long time history of being cheaper when the regionals had awful work conditions. Now this has changed. So the airlines need to correct their own strategic planning of the last 15 years and use bigger planes with a bit less dense network.

No need to scandalise, just remind aviation management to do their job: organise your business so that it works.
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Old 29th Mar 2022, 14:42
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It's about Aviation Jobs...

Morons..
That video has valuable insight into what "may" help some ex CX / KA and other pilots have a better future.. I indicated in my post to start the video at the relevant time... All the rest of you finding fault/hate in the delivery person; well, you stay in Hong Kong and suffer for the rest of your lives as it's indicated that's where you belong.. Suffering with your CNN attached brains..

CX massive pay and benefit increases coming soon
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Old 29th Mar 2022, 17:13
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Originally Posted by Flex88 View Post
Morons..
That video has valuable insight into what "may" help some ex CX / KA and other pilots have a better future.. I indicated in my post to start the video at the relevant time... All the rest of you finding fault/hate in the delivery person; well, you stay in Hong Kong and suffer for the rest of your lives as it's indicated that's where you belong.. Suffering with your CNN attached brains..

CX massive pay and benefit increases coming soon
bloomberg

Haven't you heard? CX is recruiting 800 fresh pilots in the next 3 years, locally. Problem solved!
Good luck with that...

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Old 29th Mar 2022, 19:05
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bloomberg

Haven't you heard? CX is recruiting 800 fresh pilots in the next 3 years, locally. Problem solved!
Good luck with that...
Interview panel: Welcome. So tell us, why do you want to be a CX pilot?

Candidate: My friend tells me itís a good job. All you do is babysit the autopilot, and get paid heaps of money.

Interview panel: Thank you for your time. Donít call us, we will call you

Two weeks later in the newspaper: CX A340-300 tail strike in AKL, then continued to HKG. At the controls, 2 local cadets.

Good luck with that indeed!

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Old 29th Mar 2022, 21:30
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Originally Posted by Flex88 View Post
Morons..
That video has valuable insight into what "may" help some ex CX / KA and other pilots have a better future.. I indicated in my post to start the video at the relevant time... All the rest of you finding fault/hate in the delivery person; well, you stay in Hong Kong and suffer for the rest of your lives as it's indicated that's where you belong.. Suffering with your CNN attached brains..

CX massive pay and benefit increases coming soon
I was never with CX and will never be. Not consuming CNN either. Was merely answering to people who think that T.C. is "One of the most profound and disturbing pieces of journalism" or "He really is though."

And by the way, I agree with your notion that the US pilot situation is a good thing, for pilots in HKG and also worldwide.

On a side note, since you seem so springloaded: introspect and ask yourself, where your anger is coming from.

Way too many people way tooo angry nowadays thanks to social media BS and guys like T.C. on Fox. Not better on the far left wing side of politics either. Where has just normality and reason gone? And yes, China is China, was never normal and reasonable by western standards, and will never be. No need to be angry about it either. Just go home, as soon as a reasonable opportunity exists.
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Old 30th Mar 2022, 03:13
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Originally Posted by Cury Lamb View Post
Interview panel: Welcome. So tell us, why do you want to be a CX pilot?

Candidate: My friend tells me itís a god job. All you do is babysit the autopilot, and get paid heaps of money.

Interview panel: Thank you for your time. You donít have to contact us, we will contact you

Two weeks later in the newspaper: CX A340-300 tail strike in AKL, then continued to HKG. At the controls, 2 local cadets.

Good luck with that indeed!
This is one of the more disappointing post from you CL. Goes to show the lens you carry when you go to work.

We donít talk about the 3 hours return flight with ongoing cargo fire warning with at least two other nearest suitable (Expat pilots), 747 goaround in HK which triggered a hard GPWS because they all thought the AP was in but in fact it was just flying in the air aimlessly on its own (Expat pilots), or the 747 that almost crashed into a terminal building in JFK because they tried to do an autoland on an offset localiser ILS in fog (Expat pilots), BECAUSE WE SHOULDNíT. Mistakes happens and are made by humans and it is fortunate we get to learn from them from the outside looking in. Using one example to paint your kind of picture especially when there are hundreds of local captains flying at CX is just a disgusting act.

Of course there will be problems at Cathay with the drain of experience, but as it stands there are still plenty of experienced people around to set a good foundation for the future. If hiring cadets on masses is the future, doesnít those who are still here have a responsibility to give it the best chance there is?
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Old 30th Mar 2022, 03:35
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Racism and arrogance usually go hand in hand.

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Old 30th Mar 2022, 04:19
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STW I fully agree
Those days are long gone and this for the best.
- but weren't they great while they lasted !
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Old 30th Mar 2022, 05:00
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It is odd why people hate cadets so much. Is it their flying ability? Can't be, then blame the instructor for passing them. If it's their attitude then 100% we can all hate them together, but I'm sure it's not, as most are really nice chaps. There are always wankers in any company, not just cadets, so we can rule that out. The only last variable is the notion they got a job easier than I did, to me here lies the problem <-- the problem isn't with the cadet, it's with the person with the problem. If Curry Lamb thinks all cadets are useless, then please publish your real name and aviation career as well as your personal life history so we can all find some disaster he/she may have done. Everybody has stuffed up, even the sky gods who have been captains for 20 years and David Beckham.

I'm 99.99% sure that when you had just completed your licence and someone offered you a cadet course, you would take it, why not you'd be daft if you didn't! Same as a woman choosing a wealthy man so she doesn't have to work, whilst all she does is drink coffee and walk the kid, who wouldn't want an easier life?

I'm thinking Curry has either lost his/her job, been fired or retrenched, maybe even lost a half decent relationship, HK and her previous life is toxic now and it is not the utopia she once dreamed of. Maybe deep down she feels a failure and life is falling apart. Never fear Curry, the solution is near! Marry a wealthy man and drink coffee and walk the kid, remember to look good and have the odd fling on the side, maybe open a business selling cookies or an aviation recruitment company to hire cadets!

Either way, life is pointless just enjoy the ride. Curry I'm sure you are somewhat beautiful inside but please, just post jokes and more relevant funny topics or technical stuff.

PS: If a cadet passes a flight test, interview or an exam then they are the same as you.
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Old 30th Mar 2022, 07:02
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Originally Posted by Sam Ting Wong View Post
Racism and arrogance usually go hand in hand.
So does Asian Culture and a steep Cockpit Hierarchy, that have led to a number of high profile prangs.

My interview scenario has nothing to do with the FLYING ABILITY of local pilots, nor racism, you can teach a monkey to fly for all I care.

But, there are very good reasons why mostly (Asian Airlines) including CXit has been hiring expats, again not for their (sic) exceptional flying skills but rather to flatten hierarchy in the cockpit (sorry ladies, fright deck) and thereby eliminating all the loss of face BS, and saving a few airframes and lives:

https://www.claimsjournal.com/news/w.../16/241682.htm

https://www.cnn.com/2010/BUSINESS/06...ple/index.html

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Old 30th Mar 2022, 07:11
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Curry, just answer this:

1) Have you or did you lose / leave your job in Hong Kong
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Old 30th Mar 2022, 07:19
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CL, you are digging yourself deeper in the hole.

You claim that the Asian culture of CADETS is inferior to pilots with a Western culture. That is textbook racism.

If CRM as practised in Asia is inferior is an entire different discussion.

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Old 30th Mar 2022, 07:48
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Joined in the late 80's, just as the cadet scheme was implemented. Many of them are long time friends at this point. They have unfailingly been professional and pleasant. The only real difference is our cultural experiences. I don't care where you come from, just be professional and make an effort to get along. They score highly on both counts. The real enemy wear suits and hate pilots. Don't descend to a place where pilots hate pilots.
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