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I'm a Yank in Washington state and have been, of course, following COVID. I am fully vaccinated with a booster shot. The situation in Hong Kong (and China) has been much in the news here with analyses re endemic vs. pandemic strategies and responses. Here we are obviously into the endemic phase with about 800,000 deaths over the last 2 ± years. How long can your total suppression phase last? I ran across an article that seemed to sum up the situation in HK accurately and was curious for a response from you who are there.
https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/...virus-sweeping
https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/...virus-sweeping
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I'm a Yank in Washington state and have been, of course, following COVID. I am fully vaccinated with a booster shot. The situation in Hong Kong (and China) has been much in the news here with analyses re endemic vs. pandemic strategies and responses. Here we are obviously into the endemic phase with about 800,000 deaths over the last 2 ± years. How long can your total suppression phase last? I ran across an article that seemed to sum up the situation in HK accurately and was curious for a response from you who are there.
https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/...virus-sweeping
https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/...virus-sweeping
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I'm a Yank in Washington state and have been, of course, following COVID. I am fully vaccinated with a booster shot. The situation in Hong Kong (and China) has been much in the news here with analyses re endemic vs. pandemic strategies and responses. Here we are obviously into the endemic phase with about 800,000 deaths over the last 2 ± years. How long can your total suppression phase last? I ran across an article that seemed to sum up the situation in HK accurately and was curious for a response from you who are there.
https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/...virus-sweeping
https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/...virus-sweeping
- How much/quickly omicron will spread in Hong Kong.
- How quickly the elderly will vaccinate.
- How serious the covid cases will be.
- What will China do.
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Nope, that wouldn't suit the objective Winemaker - to utterly destroy Hong Kong as punishment for the cheek of protesting against the bastards to the north in 2019.
I'm a Yank in Washington state and have been, of course, following COVID. I am fully vaccinated with a booster shot. The situation in Hong Kong (and China) has been much in the news here with analyses re endemic vs. pandemic strategies and responses. Here we are obviously into the endemic phase with about 800,000 deaths over the last 2 ± years. How long can your total suppression phase last? I ran across an article that seemed to sum up the situation in HK accurately and was curious for a response from you who are there.
https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/...virus-sweeping
https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/...virus-sweeping
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I don't see a hidden agenda by China. Why destroy what you own? Makes no sense. Plus the public order has long been restored, there is no more uprising, no more resistance, all gone. Same goes for circulating conspiracy theories regarding a secret plan to take over Cathay. As if that would be worth the effort, plus they own a third already anyway.
Cathay and Hong Kong are simply a collateral of the current Zero- Covid policy. Just a side note of history, nobody really cares about us in Beijing. We are completely irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.
While the current policy is obviously extremely harmful for some industries, obviously the Beijing government has decided it is worth the price. Think of China as 1.4 Billion more or less unvaccinated people ( by Western standards). As long as they haven't found a solution for that, borders will remain closed. My guess is a Chinese development of an improved vaccine needs to materialise first, then consider the distribution problem given the massive population size.Or maybe they lose the battle earlier, infections will rise exponentially and they are forced to give in eventually. Given the possibility the latter could backfire and lead to loss of control or at least face, this is not probable in my opinion. Rather more draconic lockdowns, which could happen in Hong Kong as well.
There might be a slim chance the HK gov gets the approval by China to change course and to open up. Building a gateway to the world might be of some benefit for China, but again this is not very likely. Most predict no change in 2022 or even beyond..
Cathay and Hong Kong are simply a collateral of the current Zero- Covid policy. Just a side note of history, nobody really cares about us in Beijing. We are completely irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.
While the current policy is obviously extremely harmful for some industries, obviously the Beijing government has decided it is worth the price. Think of China as 1.4 Billion more or less unvaccinated people ( by Western standards). As long as they haven't found a solution for that, borders will remain closed. My guess is a Chinese development of an improved vaccine needs to materialise first, then consider the distribution problem given the massive population size.Or maybe they lose the battle earlier, infections will rise exponentially and they are forced to give in eventually. Given the possibility the latter could backfire and lead to loss of control or at least face, this is not probable in my opinion. Rather more draconic lockdowns, which could happen in Hong Kong as well.
There might be a slim chance the HK gov gets the approval by China to change course and to open up. Building a gateway to the world might be of some benefit for China, but again this is not very likely. Most predict no change in 2022 or even beyond..
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It’s a long bow to draw to extrapolate that curve into the future. If nothing is done, science wins. If there are draconian lockdowns and other brutal bureaucratic reactions to prevent spread the CCP wins.
On past performance, the CCP never loses. Read into that what you will.
On past performance, the CCP never loses. Read into that what you will.
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Today's new data 30 local unknown source.
Still looking exponential.
Get your shots, old people.
77 year old lady in the ICU right now, with underlying conditions, not vaccinated.
Just get it up to 10000 or so. And watch the panicky little bastards a) run for their vaccinations and b) start withdrawing all their cash from the local
banks c) start hoarding again.
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I think reality is finally knocking on Hong Kong's door.
The government was very effective at keeping the virus out for so long, but at great cost.
They should have used this time to vaccinate the weak, but were unable to effectively do so.
We use the words 'Fat, dumb and happy', and that is the correct way to describe the demeanor of the ones in charge over the past year.
The government was very effective at keeping the virus out for so long, but at great cost.
They should have used this time to vaccinate the weak, but were unable to effectively do so.
We use the words 'Fat, dumb and happy', and that is the correct way to describe the demeanor of the ones in charge over the past year.
The appalling lack of incentives and "nudge" social pressures last year left HK, and especially their elderly, in a poor position for the current virus wave.
The HK government have failed to keep their people protected, and the prescribed intervention of Beijing in the recent months is too little too late.
STW I thing Flying clog has it right. It is about punishing the HK people for being the errant child. The CCP has good previous on this as you remember, Tibet, Mongolia, Beijing students, Xinjiang and even the movement of the little old ladies on the pedestrian bridge in Wanchai, which we still cannot write for fear of the bot (and the half million human, English speaking email interceptors) who read our emails.
I am very sad to see my adopted country go this way. On a recent (full) flight to HKG a friend reported that nearly all the people she spoke to were coming to clear out their offices and homes.
It is what Beijing wants. Less foreign toxic influences of social democratic liberalism or Republican hands-off government. Neither is in the scope of President Xi's wishes. A Chinese city for the Chinese people.
I suppose if China had a city like San Francisco under Chinese control in the USA, Congress might get upset about it and try to move the Chinese out. Oh, wait...
The HK government have failed to keep their people protected, and the prescribed intervention of Beijing in the recent months is too little too late.
STW I thing Flying clog has it right. It is about punishing the HK people for being the errant child. The CCP has good previous on this as you remember, Tibet, Mongolia, Beijing students, Xinjiang and even the movement of the little old ladies on the pedestrian bridge in Wanchai, which we still cannot write for fear of the bot (and the half million human, English speaking email interceptors) who read our emails.
I am very sad to see my adopted country go this way. On a recent (full) flight to HKG a friend reported that nearly all the people she spoke to were coming to clear out their offices and homes.
It is what Beijing wants. Less foreign toxic influences of social democratic liberalism or Republican hands-off government. Neither is in the scope of President Xi's wishes. A Chinese city for the Chinese people.
I suppose if China had a city like San Francisco under Chinese control in the USA, Congress might get upset about it and try to move the Chinese out. Oh, wait...
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anxiao, there is no special treatment or punishment of HK, we just perceive it that way. HK is been treated as what it is now, another Chinese province. Look at Macao, no protests, same treatment as Hong Kong. Imagine the catastrophic impact on the casino business. Consider the hospitality industry all over China. Or compare HK to the mainland cities under draconic lockdown rules. Check out the quarantine rules in mainland China for foreigners, the restrictions of movement, the surveilance, all even tougher than in Hong Kong. We just feel like being singled out because we are not yet used to being part of China.
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