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Old 3rd Mar 2022, 15:02
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Originally Posted by SOPS View Post
The news for Hong Kong just keeps getting better. The US has just placed a ďDo Not TravelĒ advice on Hong Kong.
Well that's just common sense.
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Old 3rd Mar 2022, 17:08
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So everyone in Hong Kong gets tested by the end of the month. Then what? I don't see the sense in this; what good will it do?
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Old 3rd Mar 2022, 18:20
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Just slinging mud at the wall, let them get it out of their system...
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Old 3rd Mar 2022, 21:00
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The end of Hong Kong's covid struggle is near right? Covid is treated as a seasonal sickness now, in most places. Time to realize the zero-covid strategy is nonsense?
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Old 5th Mar 2022, 02:37
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From SCMP:

ĒHong Kong now has the worldís highest Covid-19 death rate. What happened?Ē


seriously? shall we start with utter incompetence and arrogance?
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Old 5th Mar 2022, 06:11
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That would be a good start...
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Old 5th Mar 2022, 06:15
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Obviously the 'zero covid' policy was an extremely dumb decision. We can thank the morons to the north for that, and the sheeple of Hong Kong.

I blame the travel restrictions over the last 2 year for failing to expose HKG to other strains of COVID, creating a false sense of security, subsequent low uptake of vaccines, and when the woo flu finally and inevitably enters the city, the poo hits the fan.

Pure idiocy. Self inflicted.
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Old 5th Mar 2022, 07:44
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How dare you expat pilots wish ill will
towards HK people and the elderly especially, so that cases-hospitalization-deaths would increase. You expat guys and gals want the COVID to spare like wild fire in HK and overwhelm the health care system and forces the government to open up travel again and relax the prevention measures. Which you think return back to pre-COVID high pay and lifestyle. You expats want the locals to suffer for your own benefits. What an evil, selfish and narcissistic bunch.

COVID-zero policy and strict measures had kept HK and China safe over the past 2 years. No point to abandon it so that foreigners can profit from the relaxation, either via pay or lifestyle. You live in HK , you are subjugated to the laws of HK. If you donít like it, please leave. No one is holding you back, except your inner-self knowing you will not get back the same job, pay, lifestyle in your home country as you are currently enjoying in HK.

All the talks of a mass exodus of expat pilots are just that - talks. All talks and no action. Please do leave HK, there are 100 others in the line up to fill any position you are vacating. There will be no pilot storage; it is delusional myth invented by the pilots. Everyone knows it, despite all the downward trend in compensation and perceived lack of the freedom in HK, CX is still one of the better gigs out there. HK has wonderful lifestyle thatís attractive to young single guys and gals from world over. As long as you are not being political, HK is a great place and lots to offer for young expats. (And why would outsiders want to come to HK and be political and stir up trouble. You are a guest in HK , so know your role and donít cause trouble. The fight for political freedom are HKíers fight; donít need interference from foreigners.) These young single expat pilots are ready and willing to take your job at any momentís notice. Yet you are here complaining the job , company , and the city.
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Old 5th Mar 2022, 08:06
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Originally Posted by minglestar View Post
How dare you expat pilots wish ill will

ou expat guys and gals

Please do leave HK. You are a guest in HK. The fight for political freedom are HKíers fight; donít need interference from foreigners.
Well judging by your location you would now be considered an Expat and as such probably should lose the attitude you have and realise the city is barely even for the Hong Kongers anymore. The Mainland has flooded in and corrupted ever corner of HK. Also the other problems from other nationalities becoming PR and overrunning the cities gangs etc.
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Old 5th Mar 2022, 10:12
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Originally Posted by minglestar View Post
How dare you expat pilots wish ill will
towards HK people and the elderly especially, so that cases-hospitalization-deaths would increase. You expat guys and gals want the COVID to spare like wild fire in HK and overwhelm the health care system and forces the government to open up travel again and relax the prevention measures. Which you think return back to pre-COVID high pay and lifestyle. You expats want the locals to suffer for your own benefits. What an evil, selfish and narcissistic bunch.

COVID-zero policy and strict measures had kept HK and China safe over the past 2 years. No point to abandon it so that foreigners can profit from the relaxation, either via pay or lifestyle. You live in HK , you are subjugated to the laws of HK. If you don’t like it, please leave. No one is holding you back, except your inner-self knowing you will not get back the same job, pay, lifestyle in your home country as you are currently enjoying in HK.

All the talks of a mass exodus of expat pilots are just that - talks. All talks and no action. Please do leave HK, there are 100 others in the line up to fill any position you are vacating. There will be no pilot storage; it is delusional myth invented by the pilots. Everyone knows it, despite all the downward trend in compensation and perceived lack of the freedom in HK, CX is still one of the better gigs out there. HK has wonderful lifestyle that’s attractive to young single guys and gals from world over. As long as you are not being political, HK is a great place and lots to offer for young expats. (And why would outsiders want to come to HK and be political and stir up trouble. You are a guest in HK , so know your role and don’t cause trouble. The fight for political freedom are HK’ers fight; don’t need interference from foreigners.) These young single expat pilots are ready and willing to take your job at any moment’s notice. Yet you are here complaining the job , company , and the city.
I don't think anyone is wishing ill towards HK people, and don't forget we are HK people as well. We live here legally, often own property and pax taxes, where we were born should not matter.
Don't succumb to racism.
No-one wants to have the healthcare system overwhelmed or anyone to suffer, but the (in)actions of the government cause this to occur due to their inability to persuade the elderly, who are most at risk, to vaccinate. The government did not act.
You can not keep a city locked isolated like an island forever and expats, as tax paying residents, have a right to ask for what they want.

Covid zero policy has delayed exposure to the virus and kept the city safe for the duration, but this extra time was squandered by inaction.
We would have come out like roses if this time was used to get the elderly an vulnerable vaccinated, but there was little effective action.
Now we find ourselves actually at a disadvantage, because we are still now dealing with a covid-19 outbreak, as many other countries are lifting restrictions.
Opportunity missed.

'If you don't like it, leave' - Many are leaving or have left, but people have a right to complain so they will take that option instead. You don't get to say what people can and can't do.

You must not be an insider, as anyone in the company will know that there has been a mass exodus.
We are not "guests" in Hong Kong, we are tax paying residents with rights and opinions.

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Old 5th Mar 2022, 13:47
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Well, no surprise. There hasn't been a pandemic in the history of mankind without blame on foreigners..
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Old 5th Mar 2022, 16:52
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Whaaaaaaa

Originally Posted by minglestar View Post
How dare you expat pilots wish ill will
towards HK people and the elderly especially, so that cases-hospitalization-deaths would increase. You expat guys and gals want the COVID to spare like wild fire in HK and overwhelm the health care system and forces the government to open up travel again and relax the prevention measures. Which you think return back to pre-COVID high pay and lifestyle. You expats want the locals to suffer for your own benefits. What an evil, selfish and narcissistic bunch.

COVID-zero policy and strict measures had kept HK and China safe over the past 2 years. No point to abandon it so that foreigners can profit from the relaxation, either via pay or lifestyle. You live in HK , you are subjugated to the laws of HK. If you donít like it, please leave. No one is holding you back, except your inner-self knowing you will not get back the same job, pay, lifestyle in your home country as you are currently enjoying in HK.

All the talks of a mass exodus of expat pilots are just that - talks. All talks and no action. Please do leave HK, there are 100 others in the line up to fill any position you are vacating. There will be no pilot storage; it is delusional myth invented by the pilots. Everyone knows it, despite all the downward trend in compensation and perceived lack of the freedom in HK, CX is still one of the better gigs out there. HK has wonderful lifestyle thatís attractive to young single guys and gals from world over. As long as you are not being political, HK is a great place and lots to offer for young expats. (And why would outsiders want to come to HK and be political and stir up trouble. You are a guest in HK , so know your role and donít cause trouble. The fight for political freedom are HKíers fight; donít need interference from foreigners.) These young single expat pilots are ready and willing to take your job at any momentís notice. Yet you are here complaining the job , company , and the city.
Hong Kong is literally a trashed/failed city state, innocents are now dying unnecessarily in large numbers, thousands of companies and businesses bankrupted, and it wasn't the bogeyman "foreigners" who did it, it was the incompetent muppets in Hong Kong bending over to the equally incompetent morons to the North of which I highly suspect "minglestar" is one of and in a high ranking position.. You can't fix STUPID
Moron "minglestar" ( from Canada ) obviously DEPARTED Hong Kong for a reason... Sad but expected that idiots like this immigrate to other unsuspecting countries and take their stupidity with them..

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Old 5th Mar 2022, 23:31
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Mangled ⭐️. I had come to believe that only SCMP had Fujian-based patriot bots. Quite the xenophobic rant. Bravo.
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Old 6th Mar 2022, 00:13
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Originally Posted by Flex88 View Post
Hong Kong is literally a trashed/failed city state, innocents are now dying unnecessarily in large numbers, thousands of companies and businesses bankrupted, and it wasn't the bogeyman "foreigners" who did it, it was the incompetent muppets in Hong Kong bending over to the equally incompetent morons to the North of which I highly suspect "minglestar" is one of and in a high ranking position.. You can't fix STUPID
Moron "minglestar" ( from Canada ) obviously DEPARTED Hong Kong for a reason... Sad but expected that idiots like this immigrate to other unsuspecting countries and take their stupidity with them..
Perfectly summed up Flex
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Old 6th Mar 2022, 01:14
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Panic buying in supermarkets and mass lock downs were taking place 2 years ago in the rest of the world, which is now opening up and lifting restrictions. Most countries are treating COVID as endemic as they realise it can't be eliminated and we have to live with it.

A similar city state, Singapore records around 15 000 new cases a day but only about 1% are hospitalised, 0.1 end up in ICU with a handful of deaths.

Soon, HKG will be more isolated than North Korea because it won't open to the rest of the world but will be closed off to China due to the current outbreak.
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Old 6th Mar 2022, 04:32
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Correct Kris, and what is upsetting is that this vain attempt to be cleverer than the rest of the world has ended up with the same result that could have been achieved two years ago. They persecuted pilots, they prevented us from seeing family outside HK, they stopped the kids going to school, the list goes on. And at the end of the day what did they achieve that was different or better?
Now on top of all this failure they are proposing mass testing and a continuation of restrictions to pursue the impossible Zero Covid.
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Old 6th Mar 2022, 06:41
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Maybe Mingle has a bit of a point. Any expat left in Hk clearly thinks the job and country as a whole is better than their own country? They did me a favour and got rid of me, happy days.
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Old 6th Mar 2022, 07:03
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Originally Posted by minglestar View Post
How dare you expat pilots wish ill will
towards HK people and the elderly especially, so that cases-hospitalization-deaths would increase. You expat guys and gals want the COVID to spare like wild fire in HK and overwhelm the health care system and forces the government to open up travel again and relax the prevention measures. Which you think return back to pre-COVID high pay and lifestyle. You expats want the locals to suffer for your own benefits. What an evil, selfish and narcissistic bunch.

COVID-zero policy and strict measures had kept HK and China safe over the past 2 years. No point to abandon it so that foreigners can profit from the relaxation, either via pay or lifestyle. You live in HK , you are subjugated to the laws of HK. If you donít like it, please leave. No one is holding you back, except your inner-self knowing you will not get back the same job, pay, lifestyle in your home country as you are currently enjoying in HK.

All the talks of a mass exodus of expat pilots are just that - talks. All talks and no action. Please do leave HK, there are 100 others in the line up to fill any position you are vacating. There will be no pilot storage; it is delusional myth invented by the pilots. Everyone knows it, despite all the downward trend in compensation and perceived lack of the freedom in HK, CX is still one of the better gigs out there. HK has wonderful lifestyle thatís attractive to young single guys and gals from world over. As long as you are not being political, HK is a great place and lots to offer for young expats. (And why would outsiders want to come to HK and be political and stir up trouble. You are a guest in HK , so know your role and donít cause trouble. The fight for political freedom are HKíers fight; donít need interference from foreigners.) These young single expat pilots are ready and willing to take your job at any momentís notice. Yet you are here complaining the job , company , and the city.
Hilarious post mingestar!

Clearly a wind up, or is it?

If it isn't, my lord, you are a perfect example of the fustercluck in Hong Kong, and you're welcome to the unmitigated disaster it has become. Hong Kong as a world city is finished.

And yes, I did leave, after 20+ years at Cathay, to a MUCH better quality of life, and I couldn't be happier.

I'll never step foot in Hong Kong again. It was great while it lasted, but now it's just another Chinese crap hole city. Oh well.
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Old 6th Mar 2022, 09:29
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Originally Posted by minglestar View Post
How dare you expat pilots wish ill will
towards HK people and the elderly especially, so that cases-hospitalization-deaths would increase. You expat guys and gals want the COVID to spare like wild fire in HK and overwhelm the health care system and forces the government to open up travel again and relax the prevention measures. Which you think return back to pre-COVID high pay and lifestyle. You expats want the locals to suffer for your own benefits. What an evil, selfish and narcissistic bunch.

COVID-zero policy and strict measures had kept HK and China safe over the past 2 years. No point to abandon it so that foreigners can profit from the relaxation, either via pay or lifestyle. You live in HK , you are subjugated to the laws of HK. If you donít like it, please leave. No one is holding you back, except your inner-self knowing you will not get back the same job, pay, lifestyle in your home country as you are currently enjoying in HK.

All the talks of a mass exodus of expat pilots are just that - talks. All talks and no action. Please do leave HK, there are 100 others in the line up to fill any position you are vacating. There will be no pilot storage; it is delusional myth invented by the pilots. Everyone knows it, despite all the downward trend in compensation and perceived lack of the freedom in HK, CX is still one of the better gigs out there. HK has wonderful lifestyle thatís attractive to young single guys and gals from world over. As long as you are not being political, HK is a great place and lots to offer for young expats. (And why would outsiders want to come to HK and be political and stir up trouble. You are a guest in HK , so know your role and donít cause trouble. The fight for political freedom are HKíers fight; donít need interference from foreigners.) These young single expat pilots are ready and willing to take your job at any momentís notice. Yet you are here complaining the job , company , and the city.
wow another nationalist unveiled his existence. Normally I am not writing on this forum, but you are asking for a response. Most of your text is nationalist bs. We all wish and hope that Hongkong people will get through this very difficult time and that the damage and loss of life is as small as possible. How dare you to accuse us of such ill thoughts. We came here, because we are International, we don't have the borders in our heads and hearts. We love to work in a multicultural, multinational environment. That is still the beauty of working for Cathay. So, think about all your words. It is "one word, it is one voice " and we are in this together. We expats love Hongkong the same you do.
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Old 6th Mar 2022, 10:46
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Originally Posted by minglestar View Post
How dare you expat pilots wish ill will
towards HK people and the elderly especially, so that cases-hospitalization-deaths would increase. You expat guys and gals want the COVID to spare like wild fire in HK and overwhelm the health care system and forces the government to open up travel again and relax the prevention measures. Which you think return back to pre-COVID high pay and lifestyle. You expats want the locals to suffer for your own benefits. What an evil, selfish and narcissistic bunch.

COVID-zero policy and strict measures had kept HK and China safe over the past 2 years. No point to abandon it so that foreigners can profit from the relaxation, either via pay or lifestyle. You live in HK , you are subjugated to the laws of HK. If you donít like it, please leave. No one is holding you back, except your inner-self knowing you will not get back the same job, pay, lifestyle in your home country as you are currently enjoying in HK.

All the talks of a mass exodus of expat pilots are just that - talks. All talks and no action. Please do leave HK, there are 100 others in the line up to fill any position you are vacating. There will be no pilot storage; it is delusional myth invented by the pilots. Everyone knows it, despite all the downward trend in compensation and perceived lack of the freedom in HK, CX is still one of the better gigs out there. HK has wonderful lifestyle thatís attractive to young single guys and gals from world over. As long as you are not being political, HK is a great place and lots to offer for young expats. (And why would outsiders want to come to HK and be political and stir up trouble. You are a guest in HK , so know your role and donít cause trouble. The fight for political freedom are HKíers fight; donít need interference from foreigners.) These young single expat pilots are ready and willing to take your job at any momentís notice. Yet you are here complaining the job , company , and the city.
You are totally correct in your view. The expats need to realise the horse they have ridden hard for so long is now tired.

The colonial management also needs to take heed, this is now an airline part of the Peoples Republic of China.

It is time for the proud nationalistic generations to step in and assist the airline through these
turbulent times.

The question you need to ask is, who is best suited to lead this airline?

Don't attack the staff, attack the management.
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