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Oneworld Cockpit Crew Coalition Condemns Treatment of Cathay Pacific Pilots

Old 10th Dec 2021, 15:57
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So Cathay Pacific owns one of the largest catering services in the region but their crew at Penny Bay are reliant on friends & family to do food drops. Be nice to see Cathay Catering deliver some quality food to their guys being held captive rather than write BS solidarity emails for the Fridays news fluff.
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#AugustusTangmustgo

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So Cathay Pacific owns one of the largest catering services in the region but their crew at Penny Bay are reliant on friends & family to do food drops. Be nice to see Cathay Catering deliver some quality food to their guys being held captive rather than write BS solidarity emails for the Fridays news fluff.
excellent point! 👍

sorry, I have to say it again...

the priority right now is to sack the CEO.

Incompetent doesn't even begin to cover the scale of his failures. Failures pilots and their families are now all paying the price for!!!

He will go down in history for being DIRECTLY RESPONSIBLE for the greatest Cathay Pacific disaster in Hong Kong aviation history!!!
"I really, truly feel for people that are at Cathay," a FedEx pilot who recently left Hong Kong said. "I am genuinely concerned about their mental health and how they are."

pilots and others have wasted far too much of their precious time and money challenging the malfeasance, indifference, obstruction, arrogance, inconsistencies and self-serving behaviour that comes with this mob!


#AugustusTangmustgo
#moveCXnow

ps: you all should be listening to the animals - 'we gotta get outta this place' video I have posted above while reading this thread. It is a classic! 🙂

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Old 11th Dec 2021, 00:18
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Will you please give it a rest.

A long time ago, CX was the French Foreign Legion of pilots.

Now, it's the bottom of the barrel where, if you can't qualify for a job at home, you can sell your dignity for a selfie on a widebody.

They don't want your gweilo ass. Deal with.it.
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Originally Posted by china123 View Post
excellent point! 👍

sorry, I have to say it again...



"I really, truly feel for people that are at Cathay," a FedEx pilot who recently left Hong Kong said. "I am genuinely concerned about their mental health and how they are."

pilots and others have wasted far too much of their precious time and money challenging the malfeasance, indifference, obstruction, arrogance, inconsistencies and self-serving behaviour that comes with this mob!


#AugustusTangmustgo
#moveCXnow

ps: you all should be listening to the animals - 'we gotta get outta this place' video I have posted above while reading this thread. It is a classic! 🙂

This is the guy you need to direct your anger at, the Swires highest paid prince in CX and also overseeing its operations. He masterminded COS 18..

https://au.wallmine.com/hkse/0293/of...gregory-hughes

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#GregHughesMustGo

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This is the guy you need to direct your anger at, the Swires highest paid prince in CX and also overseeing its operations. He masterminded COS 18..

https://au.wallmine.com/hkse/0293/of...gregory-hughes
thank you KABOY, another legend in his own lunchtime!

we have a new hashtag: #GregHughesMustGo

have been alerted to this very good article...

IFALPA Commends Extraordinary Efforts of Cathay Pacific Pilots

Cathay Pacific management has unilaterally terminated the Associations’ Recognition and Good Faith Bargaining agreements and imposed what is essentially a “sign or be fired” concessionary agreement upon them. Management continues to impose egregious working and isolation conditions on their pilots and refuses to acknowledge the negative impacts on the mental and physical health of their crews.

“We want the Cathay pilots to know that we have not forgotten them. We will continue to work with our 100 Member Associations and the 100,000 pilots they represent to support you in your struggle…” Captain Netskar stated, “…we are also actively collaborating with the Oneworld Cockpit Crew Coalition (OCCC) to encourage other airlines to hire Cathay Pacific pilots as the opportunity arises.”

make sure everyone reads this...
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Old 11th Dec 2021, 06:40
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As long as Swire is at the helm with their outdated management practices there will be no improvements and it will only get worse. One thing I’ve realised is most “expat” airlines operate like Swire and as with everything in aviation, it’s always the last industry to change.

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Old 11th Dec 2021, 10:32
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Start with a big fortune and invest in an airline

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Hypocrisy from the old goat. WB was the second largest shareholder in the USA majors, behind one hedge fund. They both had huge positions in all 4. He sold (badly) after the Covid stock collapse.

Despite his decades-long investment in airlines, he has had billions and billions in long positions for a long time.
Yes indeed::
Buffett's Berkshire takes stakes in four major airlines (cnbc.com)
I previously thought that Buffet only invested in airline stocks after the initial impact of Covid and expecting defeat of the disease. In fact we see that he had previously going back many years invested in airline stocks.
Nevertheless ,those of us in the know , know the old adage:
How to make a small fortune? Answer is Start with a big fortune and invest in an airline.
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Watched him interviewed and he admitted he has weakness for airline stocks . Knows to stay away but can’t help himself .
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Hong Kong (CNN Business) - Before the pandemic, Hong Kong was an aviation hub attracting pilots from around the world. Two years on, pilots at flagship airline Cathay Pacific are so exhausted and depressed from working under one of the world's strictest quarantine regimes that some are reaching a breaking point. Once known as a premier employer, the Hong Kong-based airline is now grappling with plummeting morale, a spike in resignations and mounting frustration as staff undergo arduous self-isolation measures, according to two Cathay pilots, who spoke with CNN Business on condition of anonymity for fear of reprisals.


"The morale is all gone. All gone," said the first Cathay pilot, who has worked at the airline for several years. Everybody's angry."


The 'closed loop'

Since the pandemic, Cathay has adopted so-called "closed loop" flights, mostly for those traveling to countries designated by Hong Kong as "high risk," such as the United States, India and the United Kingdom.
This typically means that pilots fly out for several weeks, cannot leave their hotel rooms upon arriving at their destination, and return to hotel quarantine in Hong Kong for another two weeks, according to the Cathay pilots who spoke to CNN Business. That is then followed by a further two weeks of isolation at home, they said.
The arrangement is voluntary. Crew who don't participate can be assigned other routes, such as ones involving cargo or which go to "low-risk" destinations, according to the pilots. Some do not have the chance to fly at all.
But currently for the "closed loops," "they're not getting the volunteers," according to the first pilot.

another great article...
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Originally Posted by Silent Treatment View Post
Your buddy is the one who assumed I'm volunteering for CL. I am not. Yet neither of you can answer my question. What have you done today to ground the fleet?
Well, I'm unfit for 2 months.....you?
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Coronavirus: Cathay Pacific aims to stop pilots from leaving overseas hotel rooms with one-time-use key


Cathay Pacific aims to stop pilots from leaving overseas hotel rooms with a one-time-use keycard to minimise Covid-19 risks, but the measure has stoked data privacy concerns as the airline steps up monitoring of staff flying abroad.

Efforts by the city's flagship airline to comply with strict government measures include requesting records of the time Cathay staff enter and leave their rooms, according to a leaked email the company’s hotel supplier sent to the JW Marriott in Dubai.


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Well, I'm unfit for 2 months.....you?
12 months and counting...thanks for asking. Hope you feel better soon. I hear training positions are being made available...
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seeing worldwide publicity now!

Hong Kong quarantine pushes Cathay pilots to 'breaking point'


Hong Kong (AFP) - Cathay Pacific has been hit by a wave of pilot resignations in recent weeks as resentment over Hong Kong's strict quarantine regime boils over and crew scramble for emerging opportunities overseas.


AFP interviewed four Cathay pilots who requested anonymity. Each said they knew more than a dozen colleagues who had resigned in the last few weeks.

More were applying for jobs at rivals in places that have shifted to a strategy of learning to live with the virus, they added.

"Things are horrible, resignations are through the roof," one pilot, who has more than 20 years' flying experience and has applied to two rival airlines, told AFP.

"There are a lot of guys at their breaking point. It's actually amazing that we haven't had an accident yet."


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seeing worldwide publicity now!

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Originally Posted by china123 View Post
re the above article ☝, the grapevine is telling me that this is too little too late and every CX pilot is now actively looking for work elsewhere!!

the general consensus is that the covid restrictions aren't about public health anymore, it's all political and all about control from the CCP!!

get serious and move the entire operation out of HK!!
said every CX pilot is now actively looking for work elsewhere!!. "Every" is a big statement that many of us would choose to discount.
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Originally Posted by china123 View Post

More were applying for jobs at rivals

*COUGH* competitive contract *COUGH*

Shot themselves in the foot and are proud of it. Thanks POS18
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Funny how the fact they put everyone on a shit contract prior to all this quarantine BS has been completely overlooked by the media. That IS THE REAL REASON PEOPLE ARE LEAVING, YOU MEDIA DROPKICKS. People will endure all sorts of bullshit if the money is right. Sadly Cathay Pilots have set a new precedent for what they are willing to endure on peanuts.
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Originally Posted by Bueno Hombre View Post
said every CX pilot is now actively looking for work elsewhere!!. "Every" is a big statement that many of us would choose to discount.
and I would argue that "many" is an even bigger statement.
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is it possible that CX is being set up for a major sell-off by Swire?

ok, it is time we addressed the elephant in the room and what really is in play here.

is it possible that CX is being set up for a major sell-off by Swire?

a crisis can be the perfect catalyst to adopt lean operations management principles in setting the company up for a major sell-off.

…and we all know who would be making the first bid. it would not surprise me if discussions are already well underway!

watch this space.
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Originally Posted by china123 View Post
ok, it is time we addressed the elephant in the room and what really is in play here.

is it possible that CX is being set up for a major sell-off by Swire?

a crisis can be the perfect catalyst to adopt lean operations management principles in setting the company up for a major sell-off.

…and we all know who would be making the first bid. it would not surprise me if discussions are already well underway!

watch this space.
Yes, a change of shareholder/management rights is very likely.

Except it’s not the seller manipulating the market, it’s the buyer.
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