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Oneworld Cockpit Crew Coalition Condemns Treatment of Cathay Pacific Pilots

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Oneworld Cockpit Crew Coalition Condemns Treatment of Cathay Pacific Pilots

LONDON, United Kingdom (Dec. 7, 2021) – The Oneworld Cockpit Crew Coalition (OCCC) expressed deep concern regarding what it termed “untenable working conditions” at Cathay Pacific since the onset of the COVID-19 pandemic.

Comprised of the 30,000 professional union pilots who fly for the member airlines of the oneworld Alliance, the OCCC has convened for an in-person meeting in London this week.

“The pilots of Cathay Pacific face a hostile management. The result is a toxic industrial climate,” said Captain John Sluys, Oneworld Cockpit Crew Coalition Chair. “During the past 15 months, Cathay Pacific management has unilaterally terminated the pilots’ Recognition and Good Faith Bargaining agreements and imposed a ‘sign or be fired’ concessionary agreement upon them.

“The pilots and their families have also been subjected to highly onerous quarantine conditions,” said Captain Sluys, who is a 737 pilot for Alaska Airlines.

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Cool story...
Off to do my 10th covid test of the month, because science.
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I would bet my house this "condemnation" won't make any difference whatsoever.
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I didn’t know such an “organisation” existed! This might have some weight in other OneWorld carriers where pilots have some pull but I doubt it’ll change things among most OW carriers
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pilots being at breaking point is absolutely inexcusable and flies directly in the face of their mission statement - the flying public should be very concerned and therefore, every little bit of bad publicity counts!! given the safety issues this raises still want to know why the Civil Aviation Department (Hong Kong) hasn't intervened??

Mission Statement: “Our vision is to be the world's best airline. Being the best means that we always strive to excel in everything we do. Our dynamic team provides the highest quality service so that our customers are happy they chose Cathay Pacific.”

#ccpstooges
#sackmanagement
#relocateUSA
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Old 8th Dec 2021, 08:48
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If a pilot feels he is at breaking point then he or she should refuse to fly.. It would not be good for safety if a pilot broke during a flight. Think airmanship, professionalism, commonsense, but not money.

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The only hope is that IFALPA takes it up. Given the recent treatment of BA, AC and Finnair crews that shouldn’t be a stretch.
Then petition the FAA for a blanket ban on CX, and PRC aircraft in their airspace for safety reasons.
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Anyone flying at the moment or volunteering for anything deserves everything they get - enjoy your tests.

Nothing will change until the fleet is grounded.
So what is it that you're doing to ground the fleet? Please, enlighten us.
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So what is it that you're doing to ground the fleet? Please, enlighten us.
Call in sick for duties, go long term sick, take compassionate leave for any multitude of reasons

or just pack up and leave permanently
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Originally Posted by Silent Treatment View Post
So what is it that you're doing to ground the fleet? Please, enlighten us.
I’ll back him up by saying it again.

Nothing will change while people keep volunteering for this garbage. It really beggars belief that any of you are volunteering still for closed loop flying.
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Originally Posted by Will IB Fayed View Post
I’ll back him up by saying it again.

Nothing will change while people keep volunteering for this garbage. It really beggars belief that any of you are volunteering still for closed loop flying.
Your buddy is the one who assumed I'm volunteering for CL. I am not. Yet neither of you can answer my question. What have you done today to ground the fleet?
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Originally Posted by cxflog View Post
Call in sick for duties, go long term sick, take compassionate leave for any multitude of reasons

or just pack up and leave permanently
Add not sign PoS18 to your list. I'm sure you set the example to us all and didn't sign over. Am I right?
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Surely One World OCCC cannot be legal for China. Be more professional. Don't refuse duty or sick leave. The attitude is unbelievable. Nice flat, nice aircraft, nice hotel, Stop complaining.
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Surely One World OCCC cannot be legal for China. Be more professional. Don't refuse duty or sick leave. The attitude is unbelievable. Nice flat, nice aircraft, nice hotel, Stop complaining.
Thank you President XI. WTF are you talking about ?
Perhaps you should volunteer for guard duty in the camps in Urumqi. Alleged camps sorry
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Originally Posted by Zhang777 View Post
Surely One World OCCC cannot be legal for China. Be more professional. Don't refuse duty or sick leave. The attitude is unbelievable. Nice flat, nice aircraft, nice hotel, Stop complaining.
Zhang777 are you trolling mate? How much do you know about what is going on? Let us educate you in the real world.
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I did my bit. I left. Permanently!

Having flown the IGS, I was entitled to a crappy leaving token. No gold watch after all that BS . It took a couple of minutes to leaf through all the leaving photos to find my own. (And it wasn't a particularly good photo either; hardly worth the effort). Anyway, I reflected on the fact that all those photos in front of me, stacked in that pathetic, nondescript back office, easily represented thousands of years of experience on company aircraft! ALL DOWN THE DRAIN! Tragic!

Nobody is leaving hey?! Ha!!!

You say nobody is leaving (BS!), well come again cos scores upon scores have already left! And many, many, many more to come! News articles galore about how Cathay pilots are leaving, 'cos of Covid' 🙄, and the rest of them are on the edge of a nervous breakdown, (BBC News), and I imagine some are, though not many! You've got to be mentally tough to survive in that Witch's Cauldron. Cathay pilots can weather this storm! Anyway, not a single mention in any of those articles of the fact that if you failed to 'sign or be fired' within the first week then Hong Kong was to become uncomfortable, (debatably unlivable), after the next 12 months? Where's Lois Lane? Are there no good journalists out there with a nose for a good scoop? Nobody that can see the angles? Come on?!

Can't help feeling Cathay Management are going to be desperate to hear that Omicrom's great granddaughter 'Megatron' will still be wreaking havoc next winter so they can blame the MASS EXEDOS on Covid and hope the end of the housing allowance, (huge oak beam that utterly crushed the camel's back), can be ignored as the main driver of the huge number of resignations of the most experienced! Anyway at least they got away with it this winter. GIVE THEM A BIGGGGG BONU$$$$$$$!!!

In October 2020, Cathay Pilots where handed an ultimatum, 'sign or you're fired'....

Option One. You're Fired. (Result: Large number of resignations plus handful of firings.)
Option Two. Sign within the second week and Hong Kong becomes uncomfortable/unlivable in January 2022. (Result: Large number of resignation at the end of 2021)
Option Three. Sign within the first week and Hong Kong becomes uncomfortable/unlivable in January 2023. (Result: You ain't seen nothing yet. )

I am still incredulous that any of that was legal. Especially in Hong Kong!!! I guess 'a deal is no longer a deal' there, and that's a 'big deal' for a place like Hong Kong. Might as well be doing business in Shanghai.

Anyway. 'Step aside. You're blocking my light!' (Ancient history)

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Surely One World OCCC cannot be legal for China.
two words that don't go together 'China' and 'legal' !!!

move the entire CX operation to the US or anywhere away from HK and the quicker the better❗👍✔

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I am still incredulous that any of that was legal. Especially in Hong Kong!!! I guess 'a deal is no longer a deal' there, and that's a 'big deal' for a place like Hong Kong. Might as well be doing business in Shanghai.
The sad part is that none of this sh*t would fly north of the border! HK and China are worlds apart in terms of labor laws.
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North of which border?
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Here are some things we should and can do:

1. Do not volunteer for Closed Loop or Extended Duties
2. (Using burner emails if need be) advise HKG CAD, SCMP, BBC etc of the stress you are under ($, fatigue, emotional etc), the stupidity of the HKG Govn requirements (G Days are legally required to be free of all duties, jumping on MTR or Bus to get tested, 21 day quarantines etc) Include the 65% pay forced on us. Make noise about what life is like. Get the word out there
3. Pressure the company to re-open bases, even if they are temp. GMA prefers to call them TERPs, so make sure you call them what they are: Temp Bases

Don't just suffer in silence, bring the attention of the public to the madness that is HKG and CX. Two evil empires.
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