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CX offers Hong Kong pilots, cabin crew voluntary redundancy

Old 3rd May 2021, 16:47
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Well, depends if you are trying to run it into the ground. In that case, you would want as many Swire managers as possible to maximize the effect.
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Old 3rd May 2021, 23:27
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That temporary contract was another lie from your management, sorry to give you more bad news.
From a CX FCN, 3 have been given management positions, Deputy chief pilot, A320, Training manager and China Operations manager
1 has retired and I heard that 2 were transferred to the bigger bus.
Most of the 8 pilots must have flown at least to pick up the 4 aircraft that have joined your fleet..
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Old 4th May 2021, 02:12
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Wow, just wow - and we used to work out of the same crew check-in facilities just over 6 months ago?

You sound like you have the solution there - almost like a CX manager, with a lot of qualified pilots on your list above, all of them having given sooooo many years of loyalty to the CX group.

- Of course the CX pilots will do a better job on the NEO, when they have flown a big shiny 777 to JFK - all that time in the bunk really build up your hours and experience.
- The "many" CX pilots made redundant in HKG, yes, it is tough to loose the job being on probation and all and with all that SO training of making bunks. Were they by the way actually not called back onto the 747 already?
- The cadets out of ADL have naturally contributed so much to the group already and will be well qualified to take the 30+ KA aircraft on the KA routes that they know so well from their extensive cross country training in sunny Oz. Good choice there, SWH.
- And oh yes, very fair idea to take the UO pilots who have been part of the CX group for all of 22 months or so and use them on the ex KA operation. After all, they have given a few months of their life to build up a healthy business for the "group" and there's only another 5 years before they become permanent ID holders in Hong Kong.

With regards to aircrafts and routes "taken" by KA as you claim - have a good look back towards 2007, when SYD, Seoul and North America was "better handled" by CX, freighters were taken by CX as "there is no money in cargo" and BKK, NRT, several daily PVG, PEK and TPE flights were conveniently handed over to CX.
Compare fleet size net growth of KA 2007 to 2019 with CX fleet size net growth and you will see virtually all expansion in KA...
All those 330s coming from CX were actually replacing old bangers going back to leasing companies while we all had to read on "The Hub" about the droves of shiny new 350s "we" were receiving.

Good luck with the NEO into Kunming at FL276, SWH. Expedite...
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Old 4th May 2021, 03:40
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HK Citizenship?

I lived in HK in the ‘70’s, I was a UK national then but did become a HK citizen

Of course this was many years before the handover. I’m curious to know the status today
of a person who became a citizen before 1997

Are those citizenships still in effect ?
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Old 4th May 2021, 12:39
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Not sure what you mean by "Citizen," to become a complete citizen you need to be of Chinese extraction and have Z or W on your ID card. You would then be entitled to one of the Hong Kong passports, but lets not go there...

Those who were born outside of Hong Kong and have permanent residence usually by living permanently for 7 years, have A or O on the card. Check the codes out on Wiki, and your own HK id card.
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Old 4th May 2021, 13:47
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The ka A320 captains were given temporary contracts, to cover the period up until the company could restructure the pilot group into a none seniority based , productivity driven salary. Without seniority.
Now , those captains can be freely appointed throughout the fleets, as there is, as far as I understand, no precedent set to restrict this ? They can be re appointed as fleet managers, captains on A350 or whatever floats the companies boat.

If I met one of these guys down a dark alley one day...
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Old 4th May 2021, 16:08
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The criteria for passports is far wider though. One does not have to be ethnically Chinese to whit J Slosar and many others.
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Old 6th May 2021, 07:05
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crikey, so much negativity! how about this to lift your spirits...
Emirates Eyes 70% Capacity Recovery By Winter

you can check this article out on the simple flying website. (haven't enough posts for a link yet)
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Old 6th May 2021, 07:28
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And that is because the UAE is now 100 percent vaccinated, they can open the borders.
I'm sure they'll start hiring soon again too!
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Old 6th May 2021, 13:44
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UAE is not fully vaccinated.
QF like thinking by EK to fill the coffers?
2000 A380 pilots down to 200 so 70% capacity of what? 777 ops? 🙄 🤷‍♂️
CX has to keep culling to survive.
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Old 6th May 2021, 14:27
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Before 1997 British Citizens had the "Right to Land" in Hong Kong. There was no procedure to apply for citizenship. After 1997 the concept of Permanent Residence was introduced. If you lived continuously in HK for a period of 7 years you could apply. Unless you were born in Hong Kong, you lose it again if you have not returned for more than two years. People born in Hong Kong of Chinese descent are entitled to Chinese citizenship. You can otherwise only get this citizenship by naturalisation and you must give up your other nationalities.
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Old 6th May 2021, 15:23
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Check your permanent HK ID does it have 3 asterisks? i.e ***
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Old 7th May 2021, 13:08
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Sandals in the Bin some 10 years ago. Lucky to have seen the best and sadly the beginning of the worst.
Terribly sorry for all those younger folk who have had their careers destroyed. Stay strong. There is life after aviation.
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Old 7th May 2021, 14:06
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ekw, all good GEN well written, but is it not 3 years out of Hong Kong to lose PR? And I believe from others that it can be negotiated if you have good reason for being away, education being the most common waiver. A year of COVID might sway them if you need an extension.

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Old 7th May 2021, 14:42
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Correct; you lose PR if you’ve been continuously absent from HK for a period of three years or more. However, if you lose PR you still retain the right to land. It’s virtually the same thing except that you can be deported if you’re convicted of a crime that’s punishable by two years or more imprisonment, you can’t vote or stand for election, and a few other minor differences.
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Old 8th May 2021, 02:19
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Unfortunately, it's not inconceivable that CX could go out of business altogether and this could be what the government in Beijing wants. Dividing the pie up between the Big 3 wouldn't be too difficult and having Air China operating routes from Hong Kong to London and New York sends a big message. If EK or SQ went under it would be a massive loss of face, and present immediate and long term difficulties for the city states. Losing CX removes a relic of the colonial era and capacity could easily be replaced by mainland airlines, particularly given the current surplus and aircraft available from the CX fleet.

Hong Kong is better located as a transit hub than Shanghai or Beijing, has an award winning airport and the city is an attractive stopover option. Using the city as a virtual hub keeps costs down. Back in the 1990s the Middle East hub airlines were just starting, now they dominate transit traffic.

At one stage prior to COVID, China Southern was the cheapest option on the Kangaroo route. Chinese airlines are pretty acceptable these days, a shorter travelling time with a HKG stopover and a low fare would be serious competition.
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Old 8th May 2021, 12:55
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Yes, I stand corrected. Thanks.
BTW the three star marker is to indicate that you are entitled to Chinese Citizenship by virtue of being born in HK and partly of Chinese descent but the test comes when you try to actually apply for an SAR passport. Incidentally, it's a barrier to getting a Chinese tourist visa for the Mainland in Hong Kong. Once they see the three stars, they demand to see your Home Return Permit.

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Old 14th May 2021, 15:55
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The first of rejection emails are coming out. Has anyone heard of any approved VSS requests so far?
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Old 14th May 2021, 15:57
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Yes. Quite a few as it happens. Jumbo obv not the best fleet to apply from. Despite having taken a hell
of a caning over at least 18 months.
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Old 15th May 2021, 13:34
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What can I say? Buckle up boys - some nasty news soon. Good luck to all.
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