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just out of interest sake, what fleet are you on? The 747? It’s all fair and well to say people ‘ SHOULD’ take what is offered to them, but given the fact that the people you are referring to are on a different contract( inferior contract) to the contract they initially signed, what happens to the people that simply cannot afford to take the offer?
just out of interest sake, what fleet are you on? The 747? It’s all fair and well to say people ‘ SHOULD’ take what is offered to them, but given the fact that the people you are referring to are on a different contract( inferior contract) to the contract they initially signed, what happens to the people that simply cannot afford to take the offer?
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Except for the guys that didn’t sign and got a nice healthy payout to retire on. Was cheap for cx as there were only a handful of blokes in cx with balls not to sign, and saved an ugly court case. Just like the handful of A scale guys that didn’t sign when B scale was introduced
Except for the guys that didn’t sign and got a nice healthy payout to retire on. Was cheap for cx as there were only a handful of blokes in cx with balls not to sign, and saved an ugly court case. Just like the handful of A scale guys that didn’t sign when B scale was introduced
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What a travesty.
In the history of mankind there has never been
a non-selfish pilot. We always did what we thought was good for ourselves. I always have to cringe when I hear somebody mentioning "good will". Never seen anybody doing anything against their own interest. Not even Piet. Actually especially not Piet.
Any of us not signing had their own reason, age, a full bucket of sh. and assets, mostly. Actually make that assets and forget the rest.
Nobody got a special sweet deal by "having balls", or a "healthy package to retire on", nobody was braver than the rest, that is a complete myth, pure fabrication, alternative facts, utter BS.
In the history of mankind there has never been
a non-selfish pilot. We always did what we thought was good for ourselves. I always have to cringe when I hear somebody mentioning "good will". Never seen anybody doing anything against their own interest. Not even Piet. Actually especially not Piet.
Any of us not signing had their own reason, age, a full bucket of sh. and assets, mostly. Actually make that assets and forget the rest.
Nobody got a special sweet deal by "having balls", or a "healthy package to retire on", nobody was braver than the rest, that is a complete myth, pure fabrication, alternative facts, utter BS.
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Sadly it’s the seniority system that has bred the selfish attitude to get to the top and push others below so it’ll never change.
If it were like any other job without seniority you’d be a free agent to move as and when you like into a position commensurate with experience thereby preventing the need to get to the top or move up the ladder.
Selfish pilots are here to stay.
If it were like any other job without seniority you’d be a free agent to move as and when you like into a position commensurate with experience thereby preventing the need to get to the top or move up the ladder.
Selfish pilots are here to stay.
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Clearly you were not in CX then, and write of things you know not.
There was nothing to sign for A scale guys.
The only people who signed anything back then, were the FNG’s who signed for a poor package.
Then the next bunch signed for an even poorer package.
Hence the CX pilot group find themselves, (I can no longer say ourselves since last year) in the precarious unprotected position, where tracing back patient zero points at the first B scalers.
One wonders how things may have been different, if only.....
Clearly you were not in CX then, and write of things you know not.
There was nothing to sign for A scale guys.
The only people who signed anything back then, were the FNG’s who signed for a poor package.
Then the next bunch signed for an even poorer package.
Hence the CX pilot group find themselves, (I can no longer say ourselves since last year) in the precarious unprotected position, where tracing back patient zero points at the first B scalers.
One wonders how things may have been different, if only.....
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STW, it is quite apparent that your comment is heavy with truth. We failed to fight for our careers, value and futures at every point of conflict with the Swires. We now find ourselves almost 30 years later with nothing more than a "job". There is no value left as it pertains to a "career". Anyone who pretends otherwise will find themselves at the mercy of a completely soulless organisation that cares not for you nor your family. I do not state that with a desire to preach, simply a recognition that the "princes" of Swire have finally achieved their aim. The only thing left to do is quietly wait for better opportunities...
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As much as I would love to rub your face in it, I can’t name the MANY things I did that weren’t in my own interest without giving away my identity.
As opposed to you I still have a useful flying career in front of me and I am not willing to jeapordise it for the likes of you.
Having said all that, the onus of providing proof of me acting selfishly is on you, since you found it necessary to single me out in your previous post.
So, allegedly you have proof of me acting very selfishly.
As much as I would love to rub your face in it, I can’t name the MANY things I did that weren’t in my own interest without giving away my identity.
As opposed to you I still have a useful flying career in front of me and I am not willing to jeapordise it for the likes of you.
Having said all that, the onus of providing proof of me acting selfishly is on you, since you found it necessary to single me out in your previous post.
So, allegedly you have proof of me acting very selfishly.
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You are the one constantly accusing others of acting selfishly.
Now I ask you again: name one thing you ever did against your own interests. To make it clear: sitting disgruntled in the crew lounge at 0300 am because you did not acknowledge you roster change doesn't count,you voted for that. I didn't!
I go one step farther. Anyone name anything they did ( significant, job-related) against their own interests?
At the same time most can immediately single out an especially despicable selfish and lowly group of minions among us ( which they don't belong to of course).
Now I ask you again: name one thing you ever did against your own interests. To make it clear: sitting disgruntled in the crew lounge at 0300 am because you did not acknowledge you roster change doesn't count,you voted for that. I didn't!
I go one step farther. Anyone name anything they did ( significant, job-related) against their own interests?
At the same time most can immediately single out an especially despicable selfish and lowly group of minions among us ( which they don't belong to of course).
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I'll take that challenge.
When we were busy, and G day call outs were common, I never worked a G day, even though doing so would have paid me a G day call out and often significant EFP. Why? Because it was common knowledge that calling the G day folks was a way of avoiding paying a pilot sitting on reserve who would cost even more in EFP. If everyone had stuck to this, then everyone would have benefited in the long term.
Now, ... STW, as you strike me as rather inflexible in your thinking; fond of absolutes; and never willing to concede a point, ... I sit holding my breath for your acknowledgement that your challenge has been meet.
I'll take that challenge.
When we were busy, and G day call outs were common, I never worked a G day, even though doing so would have paid me a G day call out and often significant EFP. Why? Because it was common knowledge that calling the G day folks was a way of avoiding paying a pilot sitting on reserve who would cost even more in EFP. If everyone had stuck to this, then everyone would have benefited in the long term.
Now, ... STW, as you strike me as rather inflexible in your thinking; fond of absolutes; and never willing to concede a point, ... I sit holding my breath for your acknowledgement that your challenge has been meet.
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You did not work on a G day because you thought it would be in your long term interest not to do so.
You are admitting it yourself, it was "common knowledge" to you it would be better not to answer the call and earn even more otherwise.
You declined a short term gain because you gambled on a larger long term gain.
And maybe once in a while you did work on a G day, or you want to tell me you never ever did it? Ever in your career? My guess would be you did decline just often enough to not destroy your reputation, just like the rest of us, and only as long as you thought the majority is doing the same.
You never acted against your interests, quite the opposite.
Thank you for a textbook game theory example.
You are admitting it yourself, it was "common knowledge" to you it would be better not to answer the call and earn even more otherwise.
You declined a short term gain because you gambled on a larger long term gain.
And maybe once in a while you did work on a G day, or you want to tell me you never ever did it? Ever in your career? My guess would be you did decline just often enough to not destroy your reputation, just like the rest of us, and only as long as you thought the majority is doing the same.
You never acted against your interests, quite the opposite.
Thank you for a textbook game theory example.
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I can give you an example. I voted against a TA that would have put more cash in my pocket in the short term (to my advantage as I planned to leave CX) because I felt that it would be worse for the pilot body as a whole in the long run.
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Again, very easy to see through.
Voting did not cost you much, the loss was abstract and you wanted to leave anyway. Maybe the rejection would have resulted in a better offer, a gamble many accepted back then. Probably it was your secret hope as well.
But it gave you immediate satisfaction to raise two fingers to the company, that was your gain. You acted in your interest because voting the way you did made you feel better about yourself.
Voting did not cost you much, the loss was abstract and you wanted to leave anyway. Maybe the rejection would have resulted in a better offer, a gamble many accepted back then. Probably it was your secret hope as well.
But it gave you immediate satisfaction to raise two fingers to the company, that was your gain. You acted in your interest because voting the way you did made you feel better about yourself.
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