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Round 2 layoffs in February or March

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Round 2 layoffs in February or March

Old 19th Feb 2021, 02:29
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Old 19th Feb 2021, 02:42
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Look, it is about 2700 net. Get real. Forget quick commands too, we are living in a different world now, you will be lucky to get a job interview at all.

On top of that it is unrealistic to assume other airlines will just kerp their pre-Covid packages, hard to see O'Leary overlooking the daily truck load of applications. Of course they will adapt to the new market.

Don't shoot the messenger.
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Old 19th Feb 2021, 04:50
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Big announcement to come once the 14days of CNY are done. Can’t keep paying people for doing nothing.
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Old 19th Feb 2021, 05:21
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. Never knew it lasted 14 days. !!!
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Old 19th Feb 2021, 05:28
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In fact after looking it up it appears to be 15 days!

Fifteenth day, Lantern Festival
(Traditional Chinese: 元宵節 , Pinyin: yuán xiāo jié, literally: first night festival)
The 15th day marks the first full moon after the Spring Festival and of the New Year, also known as yuán xiāo jié meaning "first night of the full moon". The day is as well known as Lantern Festival day.
Another reunion dinner is held with lanterns and oranges being a large part of the celebrations.
It is customary to eat special sweet dumplings called yuanxiao resembling the shape of the full moon. These round balls are made of glutinous rice flour stuffed with sugar fillings, symbolizing reunion.
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Old 19th Feb 2021, 07:08
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Mid-Autumn Festival, also known as the lantern or moon festival, takes place annually on the 15th day of the eighth month in the Chinese calendar, and this year, that day falls on October 1, 2020

Looks like we've got some breathing room
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Old 19th Feb 2021, 07:45
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Just asked and the 26th is the last day.

That’s a Friday.
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Old 19th Feb 2021, 07:51
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Mothy, different lantern festival... Also it's 2021. The Spring Lantern Festival/Yuen Siu is 26th Feb. Conveniently Chinese Groundhog day is in March...
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Old 19th Feb 2021, 09:34
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Or the Year of the Ox starts with a lot of BS
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Old 19th Feb 2021, 13:04
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If you are interested in the KA demographic, the dilemma for an expatriate to return will be either they've sold their property, or if they didn't hold property, there is no housing allowance to return to in Hong Kong.

The same will apply for any future CX layoffs. Pilots that sell will be wealthy enough to be intolerant of poor conditions of service and high levels of unnecessary professional stress. And those that are not must weigh up paying to live in Hong Kong !
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Old 19th Feb 2021, 13:41
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And Confucius Says

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The longer you can stretch out "paid" statutory holidays (for teachers & government workers that is) the better ay wot 🧐
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Old 19th Feb 2021, 16:46
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I would just add that the stresses of uprooting the family at short notice will not be quickly forgotten and the attitude amongst many is “Ill never take an expat job again “.
This was compounded by being fired by e-mail and abandoned by our own management overnight.

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Old 20th Feb 2021, 06:37
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yet many would still return to Hong Kong given the chance (and are hopeful that will be the case) because:
a) there aren’t and won’t be any jobs in their home country for a long time; and
b) even on COS20 the package is still better than what they can earn back home or on a contract job say in Vietnam (which is likely going to be their only option once borders open)
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Old 20th Feb 2021, 08:23
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There isn't much dilemma in deciding whether to return or not, if you have no other options available and need to put food on the table then back you go. During the course of a prolonged lay off, there is some attrition. Medicals get failed, for older pilots it may not be worth going back just for a couple of years, some retire early and permanently, others start a business and the lucky ones find other flying jobs.

A pilot of furlough from a major US airline such as United or American would be less attractive to a potential employer as they know he would go back as soon as the opportunity presented itself. Offer a CX or EK pilot a half decent job in their home country and it's far less likely they would return if given the chance. After a year settled in back home, few will want to uproot and move across the world a second time. The first time it was a big adventure and the conditions on offer were a big draw card. Now the shine has worn off and they know exactly what they would be getting into. The new COS are much reduced and the big shiny jet syndrome disappeared. Been there, done that with the B777 into JFK and now happy to bring the B737 home and go down the pub afterwards.
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Old 20th Feb 2021, 11:02
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100% agree krismiler
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Old 20th Feb 2021, 11:51
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a) Pure speculation. If recruitment starts again, ALL airlines will be looking. Nothing special about CXi or Hongkers anymore - good days are long gone.

b) Pure speculation. Comparing apples and bananas. It’s all RELATIVE, where is “back home”? A bowl of phô in ‘Nam is much cheaper than a bowl of phô in Honkers.
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Old 20th Feb 2021, 17:56
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If you look at the ME3 as a reference as to culling a surplus, very very few are safe . All sorts of guesses as to how it was done but some of the best pilots I ever knew got let go !
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Old 20th Feb 2021, 18:55
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It is simple math.
Minimum cost to company!
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Old 21st Feb 2021, 00:25
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When pilot numbers in a company get into the hundreds or thousands, it’s impossible for the chief pilot to know everyone personally. Supposedly the amount of sick leave taken and warning letters received was a big factor in the ME3 layoffs. CX could use a similar matrix, possibly with slightly different weighting and taking other factors into consideration. Being a vocal critic of the Chinese government probably won’t do you any favours.

A computer algorithm is more likely to decide who gets the chop, rather than the CP reviewing everyone’s files and making a balanced decision taking into account seniority, performance and attitude.
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Old 21st Feb 2021, 02:07
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There won't be any more layoffs, maybe some unpaid leave, maybe bases will be closed. Vaccines have arrived, end of the year we will be back at 60-70% pre Covid.
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