Round 2 layoffs in February or March
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I seriously feel if the Airbus/777 pilots are asked to take 6-12 months leave (be it paid or not) they need to consider this!
The company has paid you a salary to sit at home, wives to drink wine in the plaza, kids to go to international schools etc for over a year.
You should consider this or you will end up being let go. Don't think you are owed anything. The industry is in a mess. People are packing shelves that once commanded a 777/380/737 etc.
Personally I think if you don't take what is being offered you can start packing up because they will not pay you to camp out in DB anymore - and I don't blame them.
The company has paid you a salary to sit at home, wives to drink wine in the plaza, kids to go to international schools etc for over a year.
You should consider this or you will end up being let go. Don't think you are owed anything. The industry is in a mess. People are packing shelves that once commanded a 777/380/737 etc.
Personally I think if you don't take what is being offered you can start packing up because they will not pay you to camp out in DB anymore - and I don't blame them.
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If the whole of HKG would be vaccinated, it would be silly not to open it up to international travel, as the whole of Hong Kong would be immune to the disease. No threat.
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They won't be closing bases whilst the respective governments are paying the based crews heavily reduced wages or a large proportion of it, when all the welfare support runs out then it's possible and only then for those who don't need work visa sponsorship, that chestnut might have been swept under the rug but it's still very much there!
They won't be closing bases whilst the respective governments are paying the based crews heavily reduced wages or a large proportion of it, when all the welfare support runs out then it's possible and only then for those who don't need work visa sponsorship, that chestnut might have been swept under the rug but it's still very much there!
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Closing an on shore base takes around 1 year to go through all the legal procedings as they learned from closing MAN.
It also includes either returning to HK or a fairly generous redundancy package.
Common seniority list is still part of based contracts too...
Messing around with 800 based contracts will turn out to be bloody expensive. CX management is not that stupid.
They’ll keep on asking for voluntary salary refuction schemes, so the paid holiday continues
It also includes either returning to HK or a fairly generous redundancy package.
Common seniority list is still part of based contracts too...
Messing around with 800 based contracts will turn out to be bloody expensive. CX management is not that stupid.
They’ll keep on asking for voluntary salary refuction schemes, so the paid holiday continues
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Obviously your on the freighter from the tone of your post, let me ask you this! Would you be taking such a tone if you weren't? I can almost guarantee if you weren't on the freighter and in fact on the 777/Airbus you wouldn't consider taking unpaid leave.
At the end of the day why on earth should a senior pilot sit at home and not get paid when pilots junior to them are still employed. The airline industry always has been Seniority driven and we all knew that coming in and more importantly when we joined, its the reason so many of us have stayed for so long.
LIFO or not in the new contract, I expect junior pilots to pay any price before senior pilots it's just the way it's done. Regardless of colour, creed, age, sex, nationality and or religion. How about we start by dumping all the second officers, then maybe we can all get some more hours to pay our rents on this new POS 18
Obviously your on the freighter from the tone of your post, let me ask you this! Would you be taking such a tone if you weren't? I can almost guarantee if you weren't on the freighter and in fact on the 777/Airbus you wouldn't consider taking unpaid leave.
At the end of the day why on earth should a senior pilot sit at home and not get paid when pilots junior to them are still employed. The airline industry always has been Seniority driven and we all knew that coming in and more importantly when we joined, its the reason so many of us have stayed for so long.
LIFO or not in the new contract, I expect junior pilots to pay any price before senior pilots it's just the way it's done. Regardless of colour, creed, age, sex, nationality and or religion. How about we start by dumping all the second officers, then maybe we can all get some more hours to pay our rents on this new POS 18
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I entirely agree with you. Problem is we don't work for a first world airline which respects the employees. POS18, which we agreed to, takes all rights away. Everything is at company discretion. Hiring, firing, fleets, leave, benefits, rostering is all as the company wishes. They can fire whomever they like whenever they like.
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LLLQNH
Soon we won’t be needing any FOs either, just go solo!
http://www.avweb.com/aviation-news/s...t-cargo-plane/
Soon we won’t be needing any FOs either, just go solo!
http://www.avweb.com/aviation-news/s...t-cargo-plane/
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You chose to sign pos18.You chose to stay at an airline with zero seniority protection.
It happened just a few months ago.. have people already forgotten that no one forced you to sign a contract with zero protection?
You chose to sign pos18.You chose to stay at an airline with zero seniority protection.
It happened just a few months ago.. have people already forgotten that no one forced you to sign a contract with zero protection?
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There was no choice unless you were financially secure enough to quit. Sign or be fired during a global pandemic wasn't a choice. No doubt all of us are looking at other options but for the moment those options are limited to non-existent. That will not be the case forever.
It amazes me how some pilots on the freighter fleet seem to think the rest of us should be terminated because our fleet is currently idle. Classic "I'm alright Jack". The Cx pilot group is the most toxic, selfish group of people I have ever had the misfortune of working with. Is it the company? Is it Hong Kong? What turns you all into a bunch of such miserable
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It amazes me how some pilots on the freighter fleet seem to think the rest of us should be terminated because our fleet is currently idle. Classic "I'm alright Jack". The Cx pilot group is the most toxic, selfish group of people I have ever had the misfortune of working with. Is it the company? Is it Hong Kong? What turns you all into a bunch of such miserable
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yes we were forced, remember?
either this or bye bye..
what else were you going to do?
the only thing we could do to counter was to all walk away, but for that you need union and a union.
yes we were forced, remember?
either this or bye bye..
what else were you going to do?
the only thing we could do to counter was to all walk away, but for that you need union and a union.
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You may want to start to accept the new reality. You signed your seniority away last November. This company care nothing about you and your family. You are an expense to the company, and they will always look for the cheaper option. This also means that if you have children, you are likely more expensive, and easier to punt when they need more staff cuts. Don't think for a second that the company will choose you or your family's well being over a dollar.
Going on about "just the way it's done" or an "industry always has been Seniority driven" makes you look a little deluded, and chasing a ship that sailed long ago.
You may want to start to accept the new reality. You signed your seniority away last November. This company care nothing about you and your family. You are an expense to the company, and they will always look for the cheaper option. This also means that if you have children, you are likely more expensive, and easier to punt when they need more staff cuts. Don't think for a second that the company will choose you or your family's well being over a dollar.
Going on about "just the way it's done" or an "industry always has been Seniority driven" makes you look a little deluded, and chasing a ship that sailed long ago.
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just out of interest sake, what fleet are you on? The 747? It’s all fair and well to say people ‘ SHOULD’ take what is offered to them, but given the fact that the people you are referring to are on a different contract( inferior contract) to the contract they initially signed, what happens to the people that simply cannot afford to take the offer?
just out of interest sake, what fleet are you on? The 747? It’s all fair and well to say people ‘ SHOULD’ take what is offered to them, but given the fact that the people you are referring to are on a different contract( inferior contract) to the contract they initially signed, what happens to the people that simply cannot afford to take the offer?