Cathay Pacific ‘to axe 6,000 staff and Dragon brand’ in bid to stay afloat
I know what you're thinking. "Did he fire six shots or only five?" Well, to tell you the truth, in all this excitement I kind of lost track myself. But being as this is a .44 Magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world, and would blow your head clean off, you've got to ask yourself one question: "Do I feel lucky?" Well, do ya, punk?
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Originally Posted by mngmt mole
I take exception to his comment "no one will shed a tear for KA on here". I do, and I know many of my colleagues do. The fact that the entire airline was executed, coldly and suddenly, means CX management can deal with each of us remaining in the same manner. What has happened to KA has sickened me. So yes, my comment was fair.
I think anyone "not shedding a tear' about KA, I don't even know how anyone could say anything like that? Do we in CX even really, fundamentally understand what this means? I reckon the KA boys are actually better off taking the payouts and leaving, they'll be better off - taking the 3 months/severance/goodwill or whatever and all the rest or whatever you want to call it. We are signing COS18.
I hope expat SO's really also understand the meaning of this - do you really think that CX is going to spend a lot of money on you, type train you, whilst local ex KA FO's, fully type rated, ready to go, will be sitting at home.
I wish every KA pilot well - it is something that should not have happened the way it did, but they are a good bunch of boys.
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Originally Posted by Globocnik
I know what you're thinking. "Did he fire six shots or only five?" Well, to tell you the truth, in all this excitement I kind of lost track myself. But being as this is a .44 Magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world, and would blow your head clean off, you've got to ask yourself one question: "Do I feel lucky?" Well, do ya, punk?
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Its laughable how many of the hard nosed, rebellious and anti company crowd have leapt to sign their new cos. Some returned it by actually driving to cx city to personally deliver it, shouting look at me, I’m here to work harder for much less. I’m a sell out, please don’t do a Dragonair to me. Promise I won’t moan and bitch about bases on PPRuNe lol .
12 months time , moan , bitch, why did I sign this, when those few who didn’t fall for it, are still here, on COS08 . Happy as .
12 months time , moan , bitch, why did I sign this, when those few who didn’t fall for it, are still here, on COS08 . Happy as .
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That's for the folks who are still around in 12 months. It'll get even better when the folks who stood up and did the right thing (and couldn't be culled out of seniority) are still around (or at least got paid) and they're not.
I look forward (not really) to hearing from the guys who signed over and are out on the streets in a couple of months......Yup.........so you REALLY didn't see it coming ?!? How is it possible you're still alive after flying airplanes all these years ?
I look forward (not really) to hearing from the guys who signed over and are out on the streets in a couple of months......Yup.........so you REALLY didn't see it coming ?!? How is it possible you're still alive after flying airplanes all these years ?
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Good luck to the holdouts ( if any ). Airline industry will never be the same post covid . Good luck to all , I'm thankful I got out when I did , but have many close friends adversely affected.
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Oh no 
so you signed COS18, you have degraded pilot conditions forever, what a disgrace to aviation... So many years pointing fingers at new joiners and now everyone is on board 
oh no!
so you signed COS18, you have degraded pilot conditions forever, what a disgrace to aviation... So many years pointing fingers at new joiners and now everyone is on board oh no!
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Originally Posted by Sam Ting Wong
I just signed over.
No laughing, no illusions, no hopes, just gut wrenching disgust.
No laughing, no illusions, no hopes, just gut wrenching disgust.
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Naturally, lol. I'd have expected no less. Good luck to ya.
Don't know how old you are but here's a tip. When you feel that gut wrench like that (other than in moments of grief) it either means you're about to get into a fight of some sort (and you usually know when that happens because it's the fight or flight kicking in), or you done the wrong thing (if'n it's a bizness deal or something trite like that likely will live to regret it down the road). It's worthwhile to listen to that gut. It ain't always right, but it usually is.
Don't know how old you are but here's a tip. When you feel that gut wrench like that (other than in moments of grief) it either means you're about to get into a fight of some sort (and you usually know when that happens because it's the fight or flight kicking in), or you done the wrong thing (if'n it's a bizness deal or something trite like that likely will live to regret it down the road). It's worthwhile to listen to that gut. It ain't always right, but it usually is.
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Cxorcist, I know you believe you saw all that coming. Let's assume you are right for a brief moment. Doesn't that make you the greatest fool of all? I mean, you knew this would happen, right? But you are still here, with a green card in your hand, next to all those marxist, non-believer, incompetent low-hour cadets on the same ridiculous payscale as you.
Slasher, now that you see what pure market forces unleashed can do, how is your libertarian world view coming along these days? Still a fan? What is happening right now would cream Ayn Rands panties, the invisible hand at full swing. You must be overjoyed.
Slasher, now that you see what pure market forces unleashed can do, how is your libertarian world view coming along these days? Still a fan? What is happening right now would cream Ayn Rands panties, the invisible hand at full swing. You must be overjoyed.
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Let's put all the personal "one upmanship" aside. Ultimately, the profession of "pilot" has come to an end at Cathay Pacific. From the 1950's through to the present days, it's arguably been one of the best companies in the world to fly for. Now, the avarice, greed and arrogance of the Swire management class have destroyed the profession that underpinned the safety, reputation and progress of a great name in aviation. That has now all been laid to waste. For those remaining, it is unarguable that there is nothing resembling a career left here. It will be a bare basic contract job, with no possibility to provide for the needs of retirement or even your family's health. The time to make decisions accordingly is now upon everyone remaining.
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But I don’t understand STW, didn’t we get rid of cc and tb?
I thought you said that when and if we would bury the hatchet with management, our relationship would improve and that we would all get massive payrises and that if we played nice, they would play nice.
Of course I know it’s too little too late, but I hope that even you can see now that there was never any chance in hell that swine management would EVER play nice. A leopard and its spots come to mind.
I thought you said that when and if we would bury the hatchet with management, our relationship would improve and that we would all get massive payrises and that if we played nice, they would play nice.
Of course I know it’s too little too late, but I hope that even you can see now that there was never any chance in hell that swine management would EVER play nice. A leopard and its spots come to mind.
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Originally Posted by Sam Ting Wong
Cxorcist, I know you believe you saw all that coming. Let's assume you are right for a brief moment. Doesn't that make you the greatest fool of all? I mean, you knew this would happen, right? But you are still here, with a green card in your hand, next to all those marxist, non-believer, incompetent low-hour cadets on the same ridiculous payscale as you.
Slasher, now that you see what pure market forces unleashed can do, how is your libertarian world view coming along these days? Still a fan? What is happening right now would cream Ayn Rands panties, the invisible hand at full swing. You must be overjoyed.
Slasher, now that you see what pure market forces unleashed can do, how is your libertarian world view coming along these days? Still a fan? What is happening right now would cream Ayn Rands panties, the invisible hand at full swing. You must be overjoyed.
"If it be true that workingmen may combine with a view, among other things, to getting as much as they can for their labor, just as capital may combine with a view to getting the greatest possible return, it must be true that, when combined, they have the same liberty that combined capital has, to support their interests by argument, persuasion, and the bestowal or refusal of those advantages which they otherwise lawfully control."
He would be the dissenting opinion on that case; it later being reversed (so these unions started off with even the law against them). In a day when unions made significant gains by sticking together while facing REAL adversity and the deck stacked against them. And their real adversity involved immediate job losses, private police forces shooting and beating them up, and strikebreakers with axe handles. Hardly the pen and ink world you've ever faced.
Of note is that Jimmy Hoffa organized a (successful) strike in the middle of the Great Depression where any job was hard to come by and easily replaced. Management quickly settled. If you're looking for adversity that time period had real adversity; not some country club esoterics.
