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HOLD ON TO YOUR UNDERPANTS !!

Old 23rd Aug 2020, 16:54
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Originally Posted by exfocx View Post
According to what I've read,
That’s very likely your problem. If what your reading begins with the header CNN, BBC, or similar; then you are simply gulping up propaganda.
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Old 23rd Aug 2020, 20:23
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Don’t know if anyone remembers, but the UK also had a little issue called “Brexit”.
Must be nice for Boris to blame the 20% downturn on COVID.
Also, he wants you all to go on a diet, since he himself lost a lot of weight.
I believe his dieting plan is also called COVID. Pretty effective and useful “thing”, COVID, in more ways than one.
As a sidenote: I love the fact that his life was saved by an immigrant.
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Old 23rd Aug 2020, 21:19
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I'd love to see the headlines downline if we'd ascribed to this WuFlu madness through known history.

"Even in 2020, the area west of Pittsburgh remains largely unexplored. Early in the 19th century an expedition was planned under then-president Jefferson for Captain Meriwether Lewis and Lt. William Clark; however, congress later forced the cancellation of the journey because thirty people in New York had developed rheumatism. Out of an abundance of caution, it was never accomplished."
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Old 24th Aug 2020, 01:13
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Originally Posted by cxorcist View Post
That’s very likely your problem. If what your reading begins with the header CNN, BBC, or similar; then you are simply gulping up propaganda.
You need to hear the real news from Fox or Breitbart, or even better Q’Anon
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Old 24th Aug 2020, 01:58
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Originally Posted by 0ztranaut View Post
You need to hear the real news from Fox or Breitbart, or even better Q’Anon
Nah, Faux and Breitbart are still woke news. Alex Jones and Qanon, they tell it how it is!
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Old 24th Aug 2020, 04:48
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Originally Posted by Dragon Pacific View Post
We’ll see the new contract in the next couple of weeks with the choice of sign and stay, or take three months notice and go. Everyone on CoS 20/21. Expat housing phased out over two years for those already on approved leases or mortgage; they can’t afford to have too many STCs disappear immediately. That will give them the numbers to work with for the restructuring to be announced Q4.
All bases closed and they can chose whether to come to HK on CoS 20/21 or not.
It is all going to look very different by Christmas and unrecognizable by CNY.
My guess is they’ll only close pax bases, Anchorage will be kept, it is currently far busier than HK.
Another guess is that they’ll merge the seniority of all four of the Group airlines which will give more flexibility in the coming bloodbath/restructuring.
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Old 24th Aug 2020, 05:38
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Originally Posted by Fly747 View Post
My guess is they’ll only close pax bases, Anchorage will be kept, it is currently far busier than HK.
Another guess is that they’ll merge the seniority of all four of the Group airlines which will give more flexibility in the coming bloodbath/restructuring.
Closing a base would cost 6 months salary, changing terms and conditions would cost 3 months salary (if AOA consent)
Closing bases would result in the loss of more pilots than the T&C’s because people would rather stay employed at their home base, while a lot of people don’t want to re-locate to HKG especially with family.
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Old 24th Aug 2020, 06:27
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Originally Posted by Angel 8 View Post
Closing bases would result in the loss of more pilots than the T&C’s because people would rather stay employed at their home base, while a lot of people don’t want to re-locate to HKG especially with family.
Dont you think that would be the idea? Management would probably be counting on it, it would avoid involuntary redundancies & they might also be able to argue that since the offer of a position in HKG was made it isn't even a voluntary redundancy and not pay 6 months. Many people probably wouldn't want to return or re-locate to Hong Kong, sadly given the state of the world doubt most wont have much choice.
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Old 24th Aug 2020, 08:06
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You think a significant number of based pilots would resign! I very much doubt it, other than those close to retirement I expect every single pilot will return to HKG. It would be utter madness not to, given the current job prospects out there. 3-4 years down the line when aviation picks up, many of those who were based would be leaving for new jobs closer to home.
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Old 24th Aug 2020, 08:09
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Somehow I do not think HK pilot numbers will be the limiting factor or driving force behind the restructure!
When required, a reduction in headcount will be the result of the new size/structure of the CX group.
Why would pax bases close and not freighter bases?
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Old 24th Aug 2020, 11:49
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Originally Posted by missingblade View Post
Jriv - the irony is that due to the USA's utterly inept management of the virus they will very likely reach a significant level of herd immunity very soon and just like in large parts of Europe the death rates will most likely reduce to almost nothing. Let's hope this is true - and a lot of data now point that way.

If this turns out to be the case - and we will know within the next month or two - then the worst is over and in the EU and the USA life will quickly get back to normal with or without a vaccine.

However HKG, Aus and NZ have painted themselves into a corner with their zero infection policy. And we will be stuck waiting for a vaccine for another year while the western world gets on with life. And their airlines will be flying while cx and quantas slowly go bankrupt.
What's the evidence for herd immunity? Medical experts I've heard talking about it seem to think post-infection antibodies have a half-life of around six weeks. So any post-infection immunity would be short-lived, assuming it even works for any mutated virus encountered a second time around.
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Old 25th Aug 2020, 00:56
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Originally Posted by Pearly White View Post
What's the evidence for herd immunity? Medical experts I've heard talking about it seem to think post-infection antibodies have a half-life of around six weeks. So any post-infection immunity would be short-lived, assuming it even works for any mutated virus encountered a second time around.


From Elaine Stevenson, Australian Infectious Disease Epidemiologist, who is aghast by the Swedish approach:

“Herd immunity is a concept which only applies to vaccine preventable diseases as a measure of program efficacy.

It does not apply to the situation that we are currently in vis a vis COVID-19

We do not have enough follow up on the virus to be anything other than extremely cautious”.
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Old 25th Aug 2020, 02:43
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Well, I always assume the Australian expert must be correct.
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Old 25th Aug 2020, 05:19
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Originally Posted by mngmt mole View Post
Well, I always assume the Australian expert must be correct.
Well, if the option is to accept a non expert such as yourself, yes.
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Old 25th Aug 2020, 05:41
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You're Australian...you must be correct. See how that works. All kidding aside, there are just as many experts that disagree with your expert...the main point being we've destroyed our societies and economies for something that will prove to have been barely more potent than the regular flu. Idiocy on a grand scale.
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Old 25th Aug 2020, 09:59
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Never liked the toungue in cheek handbagging that you fellas thrive upon but admit to being greatly humoured by it until I got biffed in the ollies a little to personally, a while back. but, mngmt mole, your comment on the CV-19 hoohaa displaying "Idiocy on a grand scale" is a comment I I totally support. Well said.
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Old 25th Aug 2020, 13:39
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Originally Posted by mngmt mole View Post
You're Australian...you must be correct. See how that works. All kidding aside, there are just as many experts that disagree with your expert...the main point being we've destroyed our societies and economies for something that will prove to have been barely more potent than the regular flu. Idiocy on a grand scale.
Ya can't make this stuff up! Quoting you: "there are just as many experts that disagree with your expert." and then you say this "Idiocy on a grand scale", so the experts disagree, yet YOU say that!

I'd have to agree on that comment, but directed elsewhere.
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Old 25th Aug 2020, 15:02
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The whole pandemic is probably just an excuse to reset the economic system. Since 1971 when the USD was taken off the Gold standard by President Nixon, the dollar has become nothing but a printed piece of paper. Decades of printing and accumulation of global debt has got to end somewhere. Covid is the perfect excuse now to get the human population in desperation so that the powers that be can change up the system. What that system will be is the million dollar question. Now I am not denying that Covid-19 is a fake disease but the whole shut down of the global economy for a disease which has taken the lives of 3.4% of those infected is an over reaction. Notwithstanding that most of those who sadly die are old and/or frail; which would be at a higher risk of dying from flu related illnesses anyway.

I hate to sound like a conspiracy theorist but for me i'll be hesitant to let them inject me with their vaccine (yes the one that only took a few months to get into the advanced phase of testing). But what choice do we have when they would exclude us from society if we don't comply with annual injections. Don't quite know where i am going with this post but just wanted to say the world is Royally ed. Stay healthy and fly safe boys n gals.
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Old 25th Aug 2020, 16:00
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Originally Posted by Shoebox View Post
The whole pandemic is probably just an excuse to reset the economic system. Since 1971 when the USD was taken off the Gold standard by President Nixon, the dollar has become nothing but a printed piece of paper. Decades of printing and accumulation of global debt has got to end somewhere. Covid is the perfect excuse now to get the human population in desperation so that the powers that be can change up the system. What that system will be is the million dollar question. Now I am not denying that Covid-19 is a fake disease but the whole shut down of the global economy for a disease which has taken the lives of 3.4% of those infected is an over reaction. Notwithstanding that most of those who sadly die are old and/or frail; which would be at a higher risk of dying from flu related illnesses anyway.

I hate to sound like a conspiracy theorist but for me i'll be hesitant to let them inject me with their vaccine (yes the one that only took a few months to get into the advanced phase of testing). But what choice do we have when they would exclude us from society if we don't comply with annual injections. Don't quite know where i am going with this post but just wanted to say the world is Royally ed. Stay healthy and fly safe boys n gals.
Things sure are turning out that way; I think it's more opportunistic exploitation by statists than having some grand plan (and I can't fathom them either being smart or competent enough to orchestrate such a thing). But wide fractions of capital markets have been effectively nationalized with draconian state control over movement as well as which businesses are 'allowed' to operate. Along with crazy indoctrination rituals dehumanizing people and creating faceless droids which has done nothing to mitigate the disease.
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Old 26th Aug 2020, 02:25
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What really worries me isn't cv19, we'll eventually either get a vaccine or work our way around it, while protecting those who are more vulnerable and limiting the damage it appears to do health wise. But the continued rise of conspiracy theories, both medical like cv19, G5 etc, worry me. How do people who consider themselves intelligent / educated/ critical thinking go down this path? For me it certainly debunks the saying about a uni degree teaching CT, imo, we are controlled by our reactive psychology more so than any critical judgement.

The on top of that, we get the financial ones. How the hell anyone connects the financial response that's happening to world gov / control, with me, is mind boggling. Read any of the articles on what's happening and it's large corporations that are benefitting just as they did through the GFC. In Australia they're abusing the Job Keeper payments, making increased profits off it, while paying out massive div in places and bonuses to execs etc. And just like during the GFC the tax payer will foot the bill.

No conspircay, no Rothschilds or Bill Gates bs etc, and it's written about in the papers everyday. Our political system has been bought by donations to our political parties, so much so there is not a lot that distinguishes them, meanwhile we get this conspiracy bs on a daily basis while political control is being bought out right in front of us.
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