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Old 7th Mar 2020, 13:14
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What's up with the rubber dog **** haulers?

A few months ago they are complaining about not getting enough flying and missing out on overtime.

NOW ... they are complaining about doing too much flying and not getting G days.

Swings and roundabouts, but WTF?

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Originally Posted by arse
Swings and roundabouts
I think it is more a case of 6 of one or half a dozen of the other.
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Arse. Your moniker is very apt. They’re currently putting the bread on your table.
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Originally Posted by Globocnik
Arse. Your moniker is very apt. They’re currently putting the bread on your table.
Dear Gobby.

Non sequitur.

Sincerely

ARSE

PS: No, they are not. What rubbish!

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Non sequitur ? My arse. Arse.
And what pray, is keeping the company going. ?
Pax a/c doing long haul with 30 passengers. ?
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Old 8th Mar 2020, 10:03
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And it’s not Gobby. F@ckhead. I managed to get the orifice that you speak out of correct. So extend me the same courtesy.
Ars longa, vita brevis.
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Old 8th Mar 2020, 13:44
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Typical

What a typical CX back stabbing thread.
There are currently 33 CX aircraft airborne of which 11 are freighters; they are essential to the company’s survival just as they were during SARS.
Things are going to get worse before they get better. HK has done a great job in keeping the virus under control. Italy is becoming a disaster zone and the US is about to explode.
I predict that if we start to see sickness in freighter crew then there will have to be some rapid drafting onto it from the triple.
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Well, from my bolt hole here in London, and simply reading the news regarding the developing situation across Europe, Asia and now the USA, I can be quite certain that things are going to get much worse before they get better. This truly is a "Black Swan" event. I suspect that SLS was only scraping the surface, and redundancies are coming in the very near future (oh..and 747, that will always be on the principle/legal auspice of last in/first out). It's a sad day, but CX was wobbling for quite some time, both in their policy decisions (fuel hedge anyone?) and the deteriorating political landscape. CX will be a far different company this time next year.
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Old 9th Mar 2020, 01:34
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Hopefully most folk are pragmatic and far sighted enough, to look at the wider picture and see that this is close to, and may we'll turn out to be, a time where everyone needs to leave the industrial aspect aside, and pull together to help the company pull through the other side. That is IF there is going to be a company once we get to the other side.
If the company doesn't make it, well at least you'll know you did try to help.
If it does make it through, some may think that yet again the company took advantage of your sacrifices, likely without compensation, but at least you may still have a job.
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Sign or be fired coming to a mail box near you. (Not knowing where your mailbox actually is won’t be an acceptable excuse).

It’s arguable that under Hong Kong law your contract can’t be detrimentally altered. What the 49ers did prove is the company can indiscriminately use 35.3. What the 49ers also proved is the company can’t bitch about you while violating you. Some consolation I guess.

If this becomes serious enough we’ll all find ourselves either prematurely retired or on COS18. There’s no alternative employment out there right now so I’m guessing a majority will sign just to pay some bills, while COS99 crew will see it as a solution of sorts (orally violated as opposed to a pineapple).

There is an argument that a short term, knee jerk reaction will expose the company to long term serious issues. Let’s face it, the last time they tried this in ‘99 didn’t have any meaningful repercussions. My understanding is the company is entering survival mode and long term consequences will have to be dealt with in the long term, assuming there is one.

Good luck everyone!
I don’t fear the virus. I fear the opportunities that it presents to a morally bankrupt company that was already financially weak due to their own incompetence.
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