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Australian Base Closure

Old 9th Feb 2020, 11:43
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Australian Base Closure

So let’s get this straight the Australians overwhelmingly rejected the companies last offer during negotiations and in return they are treated with a threat of canceling the EBA. All of this during a time when the company is requesting goodwill from all of us.

I guess it is of no surprise that Cathay doesn’t negotiate in good faith. If history has taught us anything you can not trust this or any management group in the company.

So will you give up your goodwill to help out when this is how you are treated in return? It appears the only group the company ever targets is the pilot body. We don’t have to look back to far, just a month ago we didn’t get a full 13th month. This is a prime example where they capped payment at 30K so all office staff could get a full 13th month. However the pilot body is shafted again for a second time in 3 years.

But i don’t think we have to worry about Hong Kong or any base taking up SLS. As CC means no good will towards the company. So I have to say sorry but I will not be able to endorse or support the companies offer.

This is what happens when you treat your employees like shit and manage them with company policies that can and will get amended from time to time to only benefit the company.
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Old 9th Feb 2020, 23:24
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Anyone on the Australian Base who signs up for SLS will also be given a free ride on a Unicorn too.
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Old 10th Feb 2020, 01:56
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Shocking turn of events that nobody saw coming ()....they turn down the deal because they didn't want to get a sick note when sick longer than three days! And oh, they want to be paid by the hours instead of getting a fixed 90% salary. There's no hope of getting any deal with that kind of judgement. Too many are still under the impression we are still living in the old days of cx. Time to catch up with today's realities. HK is just as bad.
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Old 10th Feb 2020, 07:02
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Shocking turn of events that nobody saw coming ()....they turn down the deal because they didn't want to get a sick note when sick longer than three days! And oh, they want to be paid by the hours instead of getting a fixed 90% salary. There's no hope of getting any deal with that kind of judgement. Too many are still under the impression we are still living in the old days of cx. Time to catch up with today's realities. HK is just as bad.
I’d check your sources pal......
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Old 10th Feb 2020, 09:10
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Sources checked, and it gets worst: they were also arguing that, since cx didn't completely take the 13th away from those based in HK but left them with 30K, they should therefore get a pay raise in Oz. It's hard to explain the logic, but yea, that's what their reps were emailing everyone a few weeks ago.
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Old 10th Feb 2020, 13:30
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Bottom line... Oz AOA overplayed their hand! They’ve been a thorn in CX’s side from their inception. Their first contract took five years to achieve. They are the loudest and least cooperative of the based unions. They’ve made very questionable decisions wrt type changes and base growth. In context, I think AOAA is a case study on how NOT to run a union.

I’m not defending CX management at all, but AOAA was unwilling to be pragmatic and selectively choose their fights. They simply opposed CX on everything. That said, I wish them the best...
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Old 10th Feb 2020, 15:07
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They need tne Ryanair treatment - don't like it - close it down. Time to get real world,
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Old 10th Feb 2020, 20:45
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Bob, I think you'll find (if you check your sources again) that it was the company that offered a pay rise to all on an Australian base. It's all there, in black and white.
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Old 11th Feb 2020, 00:44
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Other than the last post I'm struggling to understand the thrust of this thread.
You all have never trusted anything the company has publicly stated before, why are you buying into their spruke now?
I'm suspicious of some of the new names, but cxorcist, your post surprises me....what gives?
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Old 11th Feb 2020, 23:27
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See this is the reason PPRuNe has become a joke and most crew don’t bother reading this rubbish.........

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Old 13th Feb 2020, 14:27
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Originally Posted by Busbuoy View Post
Other than the last post I'm struggling to understand the thrust of this thread.
You all have never trusted anything the company has publicly stated before, why are you buying into their spruke now?
I'm suspicious of some of the new names, but cxorcist, your post surprises me....what gives?
AAOA has been a case study in how not to run a union. I’m not going to detail their misdeeds on here. That would be foolish. I suggest you find the most reasonable and honest AAOA pilot you can and ask them in person about their actions. “Overplaying their hand” is putting it mildly.
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Old 13th Feb 2020, 19:56
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Originally Posted by cxorcist View Post
AAOA has been a case study in how not to run a union. I’m not going to detail their misdeeds on here. That would be foolish. I suggest you find the most reasonable and honest AAOA pilot you can and ask them in person about their actions. “Overplaying their hand” is putting it mildly.
Sorry mate, that's bollocks. You are grossly misrepresenting the situation. Again...I'm struggling to understand your motivation!
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Old 13th Feb 2020, 23:24
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I’m not motivated by anything. Just calling it the way I see it. AAOA is the most disruptive and least productive union in the room, every time! They can’t get their agenda straight, and what goals they do have make no sense in the larger context beyond the petty preferences of a few senior members. AAOA is a victim of their own poor leadership and likely some counter productive contributions from the HKAOA.
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Old 14th Feb 2020, 00:01
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The state of the union is bad when pilots would rather have no union cover and leave it. Yet the HKAOA continues to dig the hole!
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Old 14th Feb 2020, 00:43
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Originally Posted by cxorcist View Post
AAOA has been a case study in how not to run a union. I’m not going to detail their misdeeds on here. That would be foolish. I suggest you find the most reasonable and honest AAOA pilot you can and ask them in person about their actions. “Overplaying their hand” is putting it mildly.
I have no dog in the game, but you could elaborate with some examples.
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Old 14th Feb 2020, 01:04
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The HKAOA is not a union.

A union wouldn’t sell out its members, a union wouldn’t sue one of their members, a union wouldn’t freely give up goodwill while in CC, a union wouldn’t only look out for the self interests of a few senior members.

the fight should be with the CX. Insteade fight ourselves because we have egotistical morons on the GC who think they are smarter than the membership. They continue to forge their own road ahead ignoring the majority.

Well you reap what you sow. If you haven’t left yet you should. Give yourself a 1.25% pay raise and disband the charade.

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Old 14th Feb 2020, 04:24
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I have no dog in the game, but you could elaborate with some examples.
No, I’m not at liberty to share details, but many of the AAOA fails are fairly well known. Just ask around. They always have some excuse, but the root cause is usually some version of a few very senior captains on the base not wanting to change with the industry and not caring whether the base grows or not.
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Old 14th Feb 2020, 04:33
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Originally Posted by cxorcist View Post
No, I’m not at liberty to share details, but many of the AAOA fails are fairly well known. Just ask around. They always have some excuse, but the root cause is usually some version of a few very senior captains on the base not wanting to change with the industry and not caring whether the base grows or not.
I agree with that. A few individuals are protecting their own nest at the detriment of the rest of the pilot body.
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Old 14th Feb 2020, 07:38
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Originally Posted by cxorcist View Post
No, I’m not at liberty to share details, but many of the AAOA fails are fairly well known. Just ask around. They always have some excuse, but the root cause is usually some version of a few very senior captains on the base not wanting to change with the industry and not caring whether the base grows or not.

oh what utter bullshit........

toss off somewhere else will ya.
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oh what utter bullshit........

toss off somewhere else will ya.
No, because I believe it is instructive for the other based unions. When minority, extreme, and unrealistic interests hijack a union, that union is bound to fail. AAOA were also unable to understand the true limitations and scope of their leverage.

All unions have these destructive voices within. The question is whether they formulate union objectives or not, whether they sit in leadership positions or not, whether they infect the rest of the membership or not.

A union cannot combat CX’s toxic management tactics with their own toxicity. The double negative doesn’t create a positive unless you have the courts or some other third party to come in and force an agreement. Even then, I believe the reasonable, measured, and balanced unions tend to do better.
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