Australian Base Closure
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From: Asia
I’m not motivated by anything. Just calling it the way I see it. AAOA is the most disruptive and least productive union in the room, every time! They can’t get their agenda straight, and what goals they do have make no sense in the larger context beyond the petty preferences of a few senior members. AAOA is a victim of their own poor leadership and likely some counter productive contributions from the HKAOA.
Every 5 minutes there’s another threat of a court case if they don’t get what they want. Currently W patterns on the Airbus have been chopped back because the Aussie base demands long layover long hauls and in the past those patterns made up the second half of W patterns. So Aussie commuters who would love a base can’t actually commute either due to those on the base.
From a rough count that’s the 5th time in 6years the Oz base has gone after something solely at the expense of HKAOA and Hong Kong based pilots. That’s their choice, but can we maybe stop pretending it isn’t happening?
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From: Oztrailia
Some of you need to get a grip. I just read this and it’s relevant to Australia base as well. Just because we have an association in Oz with some teeth inside the FWA umbrella to make and enforce our contract doesn’t make us the bad guy.........
Back in 2003 and 2009, the pilots answered the Company's request for assistance. Since then, how exactly has the Company rewarded your loyalty? Zero or below inflation pay rises, negligible profit share, base closures, loss of W patterns, replacement of agreements with policy, no flexible working, and still no viable seniority-based way of changing fleet. Globally, housing has been replaced with HKPA, medical benefits reduced together with aggressive sickness management, the Company reaping their benefits of the JCR agreement before prevaricating on the pilot equivalents, all under the overarching attack on contracts with the introduction of COS18. In return, you have duvets and Illy coffee.
Back in 2003 and 2009, the pilots answered the Company's request for assistance. Since then, how exactly has the Company rewarded your loyalty? Zero or below inflation pay rises, negligible profit share, base closures, loss of W patterns, replacement of agreements with policy, no flexible working, and still no viable seniority-based way of changing fleet. Globally, housing has been replaced with HKPA, medical benefits reduced together with aggressive sickness management, the Company reaping their benefits of the JCR agreement before prevaricating on the pilot equivalents, all under the overarching attack on contracts with the introduction of COS18. In return, you have duvets and Illy coffee.
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From: here
Your opening statment describes the rest of your post! All the AAOA has done is ask the soft-rule of keeping trips 6 days or less, be removed. CMP does the rest.
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From: Polar Route
PS - This isn’t to say to AAOA isn’t a bunch of hacks, they are!
Last edited by cxorcist; 18th February 2020 at 14:31.
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From: Oztrailia
I’d love to know your agenda here? Couldn’t get a base? What’s the story with all this spew?
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From: Polar Route
Honestly, no agenda. I’m not eligible for an Oz base and wouldn’t pay the tax even if I were. My only point is that other TUs should view AAOA as instructive in how NOT to run a union. I don’t wish ill upon Oz based pilots, quite the opposite. They are the victims of awful leadership. If you, ACMS, are part of that leadership, then you know firsthand that I am correct. There’s no point denying what all the other AOAs’ leadership already know.
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From: Rabbit Hutch
[QUOTE=cxorcist;10690427]... and then they can pay to move all those pilots to HK, housing, education, etc. Yep, great cost savings there
You think housing is going to be available much longer? There is a bloodbath coming; they are going to take full advantage of it. I can see Oz being culled along with a lot else.
You think housing is going to be available much longer? There is a bloodbath coming; they are going to take full advantage of it. I can see Oz being culled along with a lot else.
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From: Hong Kong
[QUOTE=Dragon Pacific;10690850]
Like here are 2 letters- one acknowledging redundancy (termination it’s cheaper) and the other sign here for COS18?
... and then they can pay to move all those pilots to HK, housing, education, etc. Yep, great cost savings there
You think housing is going to be available much longer? There is a bloodbath coming; they are going to take full advantage of it. I can see Oz being culled along with a lot else.
You think housing is going to be available much longer? There is a bloodbath coming; they are going to take full advantage of it. I can see Oz being culled along with a lot else.
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From: Krug departure, Merlot transition
The sooner pilots understand that nothing the company does is about the money, the better. Only one thing is worth more to them than money, and that is behind everything they do.
Control?
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From: HKG
