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Will the company dob you in?

Old 7th Nov 2019, 23:30
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Will the company dob you in?

If you lose your medical and can no longer hold a HKG license, will the company or the HKCAD notify your original license issuing country of your unfitness? Will you end up losing two licenses?
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Old 8th Nov 2019, 01:02
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Originally Posted by grind king View Post
If you lose your medical and can no longer hold a HKG license, will the company or the HKCAD notify your original license issuing country of your unfitness? Will you end up losing two licenses?
Thats a tough one. One thing you can rely on though is that the HKCAD will do you no favours. I guess the other point is about the nature of the medical failure, is it short term or something more permanent?. Also I am not sure if different regulators have the same requirements so what may be a failure in HKG maybe within limits elsewhere.Good luck with it though.
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Old 8th Nov 2019, 03:40
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I'm fairly certain you just have to pass the medical of your own Jurisdiction. This needn't have anything, whatsoever, to do with your HKCAD medical.
For example I recently qualified for an EASA Licence. The medical for this, which I did in Hong Kong concurrently with my HKATPL, had absolutely no connection to the HKCAD.
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Old 8th Nov 2019, 04:34
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Originally Posted by Edmund Spencer View Post
I'm fairly certain you just have to pass the medical of your own Jurisdiction. This needn't have anything, whatsoever, to do with your HKCAD medical.
For example I recently qualified for an EASA Licence. The medical for this, which I did in Hong Kong concurrently with my HKATPL, had absolutely no connection to the HKCAD.
Yes you do have to pass a medical for each jurisdiction to hold that jurisdiction's medical certificate.

I was granted a HKG licence based on my Australian licence, not my medical certificate, in fact my Australian medical certificate had expired some years before. So for 20 years I did a medical for my HKCAD licence, my Australian medical was never renewed although my AME could have done it for me at the same time, for an additional fee, as he had approval to do medical exams for numerous countries.

But back to the original posters question, neither the HKCAD or the company should be aware if you in fact even hold a medical certificate from your originating country, its not their business.
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Old 8th Nov 2019, 06:34
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If they do, in many of those countries you will likely become a very rich man. So long as you did your part by answering the questions on the relevant medical honestly.

You are required to answer questions honestly and submit to a medical examination. So I am assuming this scenario would apply to a condition which might decertify you under CAD rules yet permit certification in the other country.

Most real nations have fairly strong health privacy laws. Breach of these is always a civil and sometimes a criminal offense. There might be some limited cross flow allowed when it can be demonstrated there is a bona-fide and imminent threat to the safety of self or others. But disclosure of protected information is an absolute minefield for a company in some developed nations.
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Old 8th Nov 2019, 09:33
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Yes

You will have to report your loss of medical when you take a medical in your original country
Have you ever been refused a medical question on the class one application.
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Old 8th Nov 2019, 13:46
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I believe someone lost their class 1 in the UK unexpectedly and was informed that they would be notifying the HKCAD as it was required, perhaps not the reason for the loss but that they could no longer hold a class 1. I assume it was on record that the person held a UK and HK class 1.
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Old 9th Nov 2019, 15:38
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Originally Posted by icemanalgeria View Post
You will have to report your loss of medical when you take a medical in your original country
Have you ever been refused a medical question on the class one application.
That is not correct and it depends on the jurisdiction. Some require you to report the loss of any medical, some only want you to report the loss of THEIR medical in that particular country.

Of course, the condition which caused the original loss of medical would have to be reported regardless if it met the criteria of questions in the place it was applied for.
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Old 9th Nov 2019, 17:14
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HKCAD won't bother.. but I GUARANTEE you.. from experience of friends who've left, HR will not hide why you're no longer employed. I'm not suggesting they should lie, but they will be direct and honest about why you left. Full Stop.
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Old 10th Nov 2019, 02:30
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Originally Posted by CCA View Post
I believe someone lost their class 1 in the UK unexpectedly and was informed that they would be notifying the HKCAD as it was required, perhaps not the reason for the loss but that they could no longer hold a class 1. I assume it was on record that the person held a UK and HK class 1.
Well the CAD was umbilically connected to the CAA. When the CAD suspended my medical on the grounds of an unusual ECG it was the CAA who checked it out and reinstated my medical. 15 years later it was the CAA who suggested to the CAD that if it was up to them they would insist that I undertake an angiogram, not an insignificant test, so my medical was again suspended on a suspicion. Strangely enough the CAD would not entertain the opinion of the Australian DCA/DOT who had 20 years of records through their Aviation Medical Branch and had offered to provide those to the CAD.
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Old 10th Nov 2019, 06:00
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Each medical authority has different rules and procedures. Read their rules and understand the questions on their forms. If in doubt seek legal advice and use an aviation doctor who is pilot friendly. Don't trust CX People Department at all. I do trust the CX doctors though.
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Old 10th Nov 2019, 14:11
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I have personal experience with the integrity of the CX doctors. I can categorically state that they are ethical and confidential. At least one department in the company can hold their heads up high. (Dr. Death, JF, in particular....term of endearment btw!).
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Old 15th Nov 2019, 13:22
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Originally Posted by grind king View Post
If you lose your medical and can no longer hold a HKG license, will the company or the HKCAD notify your original license issuing country of your unfitness? Will you end up losing two licenses?
I hope the quest is rhetorical and that you are not actually about to lose your medical category.
It is very unlikely that the original State authority will be advised. However, if the medical reason is also disqualifying in that original jurisdiction, then I'd suggest there are legal, integrity and moral obligations. Should an incident occur wherein the [unreported] medical condition is a contributing factor......... well you can work it out.
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