View Poll Results: Should the pilots put off industrial action until the economy has stabilized
Yes
33
42.31%
No
41
52.56%
Undecided
4
5.13%
Voters: 78. This poll is closed
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Plastique
Yes it is about face but what is even sadder is that they are still the pawns and that is why their future remains so bleak.
As long as the AOA continues to send IA smoke signals, why would the company not continue to let the AOA suffer financially and the membership continue to be diluted.
This thing may have now gone on too long for the 49ers to have another look-in.
If the AOA leadership does care about them, then they must make a concerted attempt to eat some humble pie and do whatever it takes to get a hearing.
If showing the other cheek meets with another whack in the face then you will see a far more united pilot body and that is what the company does worry about.
Yes it is about face but what is even sadder is that they are still the pawns and that is why their future remains so bleak.
As long as the AOA continues to send IA smoke signals, why would the company not continue to let the AOA suffer financially and the membership continue to be diluted.
This thing may have now gone on too long for the 49ers to have another look-in.
If the AOA leadership does care about them, then they must make a concerted attempt to eat some humble pie and do whatever it takes to get a hearing.
If showing the other cheek meets with another whack in the face then you will see a far more united pilot body and that is what the company does worry about.
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Good post again HFX, you are absolutely correct. The AOA must take a stance which completely stops all industrial action, including the ban and try to get back to the table. It is my unfortunate opinion that few of the 49ers will now be re-employed. I guess that is the sticking point now as ND and co have promised them their jobs back. The company is run and controlled by accountants who only understand immediate bottom lines. We all know that with a compliant and flexible aircrew body that bottom line will look pretty good pretty fast. That's surely the way to go, show how invaluable we can be to PROFIT and then next time we are at the table we will have a bargaining chip. Most of the middle/senior managers have never been at CX when the pilots were really trying to help so they have no idea of what we are capable - show them for a while and then talk again. Yes they just might take advantage again but we have little more to lose. The last thing we all want is a new contract shoved down our throats, cos it won't be a nice one.
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I'm with BE on this one mate. YOU screwed up and a look back through your posts does suggest a tendency to type before thinking. The "Brit" remark being typical of your thinking (or lack of). Your post was being pedantic about the use of the plural where in fact the singular was used. So you cant have it both ways me old.
Oh and please describe a "Typical" Brit.
I'm with BE on this one mate. YOU screwed up and a look back through your posts does suggest a tendency to type before thinking. The "Brit" remark being typical of your thinking (or lack of). Your post was being pedantic about the use of the plural where in fact the singular was used. So you cant have it both ways me old.
Oh and please describe a "Typical" Brit.
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OK you want it, of course depends on which Continent you have been screwed by poms, fat white skinned bloke with a big red nose who whinges all the time and can't see trees for the forest (pedantic about trivia). Come get me lol.
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Shortly old son! Haven't you seen BBC World lately?
Sorry to be pedantic, but the correct expression is POHM not pom...as in Prisoner of His/Her Majesty.
On a lighter note, I once saw a T-shirt duel at a bar in New Caledonia. First night some Aussie blokes had T-shirts that said 'Go Home Pommie Bastards'. Not to outdone a friend of mine and his wife (who was no shrinking violet...a sister of Tommie Taylor of West Ham fame) had some T-shirts made up for the next evening to proclaim...'Go Home Bastard Pommies'.
Let's keep things at standard QNH please.
Sorry to be pedantic, but the correct expression is POHM not pom...as in Prisoner of His/Her Majesty.
On a lighter note, I once saw a T-shirt duel at a bar in New Caledonia. First night some Aussie blokes had T-shirts that said 'Go Home Pommie Bastards'. Not to outdone a friend of mine and his wife (who was no shrinking violet...a sister of Tommie Taylor of West Ham fame) had some T-shirts made up for the next evening to proclaim...'Go Home Bastard Pommies'.
Let's keep things at standard QNH please.
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I thought it was POME Prisoner of Mother England and related to turks in particular. Never could understand why English people are themselves called poms by aussies. Great story Traffic, would like to meet that shelagh she sounds a blast. Middle, get a life mate remember you are what you eat.
Should the pilots put off industrial action until the economy has stabilized?
How do we measure stabilisation of the economy?
Does this mean waiting until the Company is making normal (abnormal) profits again? Isn't that the current situation?
Why would management bother to negotiate if the pilot's put off industrial action?
What possible motivation would there be for management to negotiate away the gains they have made?
Would it make good business sense?
Didn't the pilots drop all action last October and the management walked out after the first and only meeting?
Does this mean waiting until the Company is making normal (abnormal) profits again? Isn't that the current situation?
Why would management bother to negotiate if the pilot's put off industrial action?
What possible motivation would there be for management to negotiate away the gains they have made?
Would it make good business sense?
Didn't the pilots drop all action last October and the management walked out after the first and only meeting?
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Hey thanks for taking the time to read through all of my previous posts and come up with that thoughtful and insightful analysis of the pedantry contained therein. I'd hate to think that in reality all you were doing was furthering the previously mentioned stereotype! lol
As far as getting back to the topic it's hard to talk about union action when there isn't any!!
Clown, out!
Hey thanks for taking the time to read through all of my previous posts and come up with that thoughtful and insightful analysis of the pedantry contained therein. I'd hate to think that in reality all you were doing was furthering the previously mentioned stereotype! lol
As far as getting back to the topic it's hard to talk about union action when there isn't any!!
Clown, out!
