This does not bode well...
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you might as well say the Viet Cong and NVA were private armies that sent the US empire packing
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Still waiting for your example of a private army not working too well. Or even for a government agency that works, which was my original challenge.
The reason you can’t provide examples is because there are none. Government is run by people that earn a living ensuring its existence. Guess what comes first, providing a service, or guaranteeing they have a job? Maybe some started with honest intentions, but they eventually end up in the same place when they remove the power from the people.
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From: In the twilight zone
Sorry, but not even close freehills. And if you consider the NVA a private army you are only proving my point.
Still waiting for your example of a private army not working too well. Or even for a government agency that works, which was my original challenge.
The reason you can’t provide examples is because there are none. Government is run by people that earn a living ensuring its existence. Guess what comes first, providing a service, or guaranteeing they have a job? Maybe some started with honest intentions, but they eventually end up in the same place when they remove the power from the people.
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From: HK
Sorry, but not even close freehills. And if you consider the NVA a private army you are only proving my point.
Still waiting for your example of a private army not working too well. Or even for a government agency that works, which was my original challenge.
The reason you can’t provide examples is because there are none. Government is run by people that earn a living ensuring its existence. Guess what comes first, providing a service, or guaranteeing they have a job? Maybe some started with honest intentions, but they eventually end up in the same place when they remove the power from the people.
private armies not working well - the reunification of China by the KMT - the private warlord armies all lost. Or the invasion of Italy by the French in 1494 - the Italian cities relied on hired private mercenary armies that were no match for a national army.
ATC is a government agency that works well.
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From: HK-CRoC
Resigned - NO
Yes it is.....
Read between the lines as well as the part about "Fired from Swire"..
The Dragon has roared and the outcome not hard to figure out..
So much for #Diversity and #Inclusivity.
https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/...bulence-cathay
Read between the lines as well as the part about "Fired from Swire"..
The Dragon has roared and the outcome not hard to figure out..
So much for #Diversity and #Inclusivity.
https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/...bulence-cathay
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And Another Thing !
With all the current CX issues and furor in Hong Kong, it seems odd that Supreme Leader and "Inclusivity" proponent Merlin Swire is conspicuously silent these last few days ?
Perhaps he should take a few moments away from his manicure and eyebrow plucking regimen and SAY SOMETHING.. That said, if he follows in the prescribed and historical CX Chief Pilot, General Manager & Director "communication" protocol (also known as the "promotion communication protocols", you will hear nothing..
Sad that as the ship sinks, the Captain abstains from an announcement. The lack of internal fortitude is glaringly blatant !!
NOTAM
Mainland #KowTow procedures are in force UFN.
Perhaps he should take a few moments away from his manicure and eyebrow plucking regimen and SAY SOMETHING.. That said, if he follows in the prescribed and historical CX Chief Pilot, General Manager & Director "communication" protocol (also known as the "promotion communication protocols", you will hear nothing..
Sad that as the ship sinks, the Captain abstains from an announcement. The lack of internal fortitude is glaringly blatant !!
NOTAM
Mainland #KowTow procedures are in force UFN.
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As my FO from London said to me in the past couple of days, quote; "glad my wife convinced me to send in the BA application" ( course date imminent). I wonder how many times something similar has been said these past weeks?
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Well looking at BA’s staff travel and retiree travel scheme moving is probably a very good move of you are young enough to do it . I believe still to be confirmed that if you are prepared to take a short haul command from LGW the promotions are reasonably fast
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From: All over
With all the current CX issues and furor in Hong Kong, it seems odd that Supreme Leader and "Inclusivity" proponent Merlin Swire is conspicuously silent these last few days ?
Perhaps he should take a few moments away from his manicure and eyebrow plucking regimen and SAY SOMETHING.. That said, if he follows in the prescribed and historical CX Chief Pilot, General Manager & Director "communication" protocol (also known as the "promotion communication protocols", you will hear nothing..
Sad that as the ship sinks, the Captain abstains from an announcement. The lack of internal fortitude is glaringly blatant !!
NOTAM
Mainland #KowTow procedures are in force UFN.
Perhaps he should take a few moments away from his manicure and eyebrow plucking regimen and SAY SOMETHING.. That said, if he follows in the prescribed and historical CX Chief Pilot, General Manager & Director "communication" protocol (also known as the "promotion communication protocols", you will hear nothing..
Sad that as the ship sinks, the Captain abstains from an announcement. The lack of internal fortitude is glaringly blatant !!
NOTAM
Mainland #KowTow procedures are in force UFN.
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From: china
Lets all hope the whole CX house of cards comes crashing down . What a fiasco , a miserable employer.
C’mon protesters, get a grip, and challenge the colonial dynasty , they are all in cohorts with the mainland taipans . The pilots will be thankful . We just don’t know it yet.
C’mon protesters, get a grip, and challenge the colonial dynasty , they are all in cohorts with the mainland taipans . The pilots will be thankful . We just don’t know it yet.
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From: Hong Kong
Lets all hope the whole CX house of cards comes crashing down . What a fiasco , a miserable employer.
C’mon protesters, get a grip, and challenge the colonial dynasty , they are all in cohorts with the mainland taipans . The pilots will be thankful . We just don’t know it yet.
C’mon protesters, get a grip, and challenge the colonial dynasty , they are all in cohorts with the mainland taipans . The pilots will be thankful . We just don’t know it yet.
The ones on a hand to mouth existence, no housing , education, no financial cushion or escape route.
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Latest from Reuters.
HONG KONG/SINGAPORE (Reuters) - Pilots and cabin crew at Hong Kong’s Cathay Pacific Airways described a “white terror” of political denunciations, sackings and phone searches by Chinese aviation officials amid anti-government protests gripping the former British colony.
Cathay, founded by an American and an Australian during British rule in 1946, was caught in the middle of the crisis 11 days ago, when China demanded it suspend staff involved in the protest movement.
The firm agreed, firing two pilots, but has since been plunged into turmoil after CEO Rupert Hogg was replaced last week.
Another pilot, Jeremy Tam, who is also a pro-democracy lawmaker, said on Tuesday that he and others had quit the airline as the internal political pressure was intolerable.
“That (China’s aviation regulator) has reached into Hong Kong and directly pressured a local airline is undoubtedly ‘white terror’,” he wrote on his Facebook page, using a popular Hong Kong expression used to describe anonymous acts that create a climate of fear.
“There have been resignations from frontline staff to the company’s CEO because of this political trial.”
The airline confirmed Tam was no longer an employee and said it could not comment on internal staff matters. China’s aviation regulator has not responded to Reuters’ requests for comment.
CEO Hogg’s surprise exit sent a chill through the company of 27,000, according to Reuters interviews with eight staff members, as well as posts on two unauthorized but popular staff-only Facebook pages that illustrate the pressure on workers.
“There is a ‘white terror’ in our company,” one crew member at Cathay’s regional subsidiary, Cathay Dragon, told Reuters at a railway station on her way home. “We feel really scared to talk political stuff, even for chit-chat.
“Some of the pro-Beijing people set up a Telegram group and post our personal information, like our addresses, phone numbers, if they discover that we support the movement on our own social media,” she added, referring to use of the messenger app Telegram by both Cathay insiders and others who do not support the protests.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-h...-idUSKCN1VA13Y
HONG KONG/SINGAPORE (Reuters) - Pilots and cabin crew at Hong Kong’s Cathay Pacific Airways described a “white terror” of political denunciations, sackings and phone searches by Chinese aviation officials amid anti-government protests gripping the former British colony.
Cathay, founded by an American and an Australian during British rule in 1946, was caught in the middle of the crisis 11 days ago, when China demanded it suspend staff involved in the protest movement.
The firm agreed, firing two pilots, but has since been plunged into turmoil after CEO Rupert Hogg was replaced last week.
Another pilot, Jeremy Tam, who is also a pro-democracy lawmaker, said on Tuesday that he and others had quit the airline as the internal political pressure was intolerable.
“That (China’s aviation regulator) has reached into Hong Kong and directly pressured a local airline is undoubtedly ‘white terror’,” he wrote on his Facebook page, using a popular Hong Kong expression used to describe anonymous acts that create a climate of fear.
“There have been resignations from frontline staff to the company’s CEO because of this political trial.”
The airline confirmed Tam was no longer an employee and said it could not comment on internal staff matters. China’s aviation regulator has not responded to Reuters’ requests for comment.
CEO Hogg’s surprise exit sent a chill through the company of 27,000, according to Reuters interviews with eight staff members, as well as posts on two unauthorized but popular staff-only Facebook pages that illustrate the pressure on workers.
“There is a ‘white terror’ in our company,” one crew member at Cathay’s regional subsidiary, Cathay Dragon, told Reuters at a railway station on her way home. “We feel really scared to talk political stuff, even for chit-chat.
“Some of the pro-Beijing people set up a Telegram group and post our personal information, like our addresses, phone numbers, if they discover that we support the movement on our own social media,” she added, referring to use of the messenger app Telegram by both Cathay insiders and others who do not support the protests.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-h...-idUSKCN1VA13Y
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From: England
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Lets all hope the whole CX house of cards comes crashing down . What a fiasco , a miserable employer.
C’mon protesters, get a grip, and challenge the colonial dynasty , they are all in cohorts with the mainland taipans . The pilots will be thankful . We just don’t know it yet.
C’mon protesters, get a grip, and challenge the colonial dynasty , they are all in cohorts with the mainland taipans . The pilots will be thankful . We just don’t know it yet.
you’re an idiot.........
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From: HK
Because it's YOU self-serving C*nts with no back bone that caused many of us to leave. The current pilot cadre is whole responsible. Excuse's like mortgages, kids, school, I like the W's... all contribute to Swire tightening the screws.
Shut the Airline down.
There are more jobs... You'll all just have to get off your lazy arse's and make half a effort. You've all got Stockholm Syndrome.
I can't wait to see CX burn.
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From: Hong Kong
Because it's YOU self-serving C*nts with no back bone that caused many of us to leave. The current pilot cadre is whole responsible. Excuse's like mortgages, kids, school, I like the W's... all contribute to Swire tightening the screws.
Shut the Airline down.
There are more jobs... You'll all just have to get off your lazy arse's and make half a effort. You've all got Stockholm Syndrome.
I can't wait to see CX burn.
Shut the Airline down.
There are more jobs... You'll all just have to get off your lazy arse's and make half a effort. You've all got Stockholm Syndrome.
I can't wait to see CX burn.