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Old 2nd Aug 2019, 07:16
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Originally Posted by G Merch View Post
From CAD54
" The holder of a restricted rating will be expected to be qualified for an unrestricted rating within a period of 5 years since the endorsement of a P2X rating"

Key word being "expected".
On that same note, I'm "expecting" to receive a pay adjustment in line with current inflation, plus compounding back pay for the years which my pay has not been adjusted.
As an observer from afar why do Airlines out East/ Australasia employ partially trained S/Os? In BA for example all new hire or cadet pilots are trained from the start as fully qualified to operate as P2 on two crew operations. All modern jets are two crew ops. Pilots recruited onto large jets ie 777/744 and the like obviously need more previous experience on joining. (2000 total. 500 jet time)
All then are fully operational and on augmented crews share out the landings as required.
The only time “ cruise only” happen when a training backlog occurred on A380 and caused a few months delay obtaining the 6 route trading landings required to operate as P2.

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Old 2nd Aug 2019, 07:24
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And, surprise surprise, the negotiations - once again - went nowhere.
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Old 2nd Aug 2019, 09:40
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I don't recall having a lot more leverage before the ban gets broken by a few.
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Old 2nd Aug 2019, 10:11
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Originally Posted by cessnapete View Post


As an observer from afar why do Airlines out East/ Australasia employ partially trained S/Os? In BA for example all new hire or cadet pilots are trained from the start as fully qualified to operate as P2 on two crew operations. All modern jets are two crew ops. Pilots recruited onto large jets ie 777/744 and the like obviously need more previous experience on joining. (2000 total. 500 jet time)
All then are fully operational and on augmented crews share out the landings as required.
The only time “ cruise only” happen when a training backlog occurred on A380 and caused a few months delay obtaining the 6 route trading landings required to operate as P2.
Several reasons. Firstly, lots of cx operations are >2 crew medium and long haul. That means you need cruise relief. May as well have a sh!t kicker on half the pay of operating crew to do the cruise work. Secondly, giving a P2X rating means the licence is effectively worthless in the real world, and is a way of preventing the Second officer from being appealing to other carriers.
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Old 2nd Aug 2019, 11:16
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Originally Posted by Backupnav View Post
I don't recall having a lot more leverage before the ban gets broken by a few.
So many long haul flights with more than 1 captain isn't exactly cheap.
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Old 2nd Aug 2019, 11:37
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Originally Posted by G Merch View Post
So many long haul flights with more than 1 captain isn't exactly cheap.
I agree with you, but I guess they figured that option is still more cost effective than giving a decent pay rise across the board.
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Old 3rd Aug 2019, 00:47
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Why would they negotiate anymore? They know we have lost our leverage. Thanks to the Training Ban Breakers.
​​​​​​​Exactly. In a nutshell.
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