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Old 30th Jul 2019, 05:02
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Originally Posted by SOPS View Post


You think HKE won’t take routes off CX? As the Qantas guys about Jetstar.
Even Dragon, with essentially no cost advantage, has taken routes from CX. HKE is sure to take more.
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Old 30th Jul 2019, 09:06
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Dragon and Cathay are offering the same product.

HKE is doing the 0300 am to Manila from the remote terminal.

HKE has neither the product, nor the slots or the aircraft. The airport is full. The chairman says HKE is serving a niche market, stopped the expansion and just cancelled the aircraft on order.

What else do you guys need?


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Old 30th Jul 2019, 11:25
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On a bit of a crusade Sam...?
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Old 30th Jul 2019, 11:35
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Too many OFF days.
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Old 30th Jul 2019, 11:36
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Old 30th Jul 2019, 11:44
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Freighter pie deprivation. Make sure you do another few laps of the main deck when you get back to work.
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Old 30th Jul 2019, 12:22
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Originally Posted by Sam Ting Wong View Post
Dragon and Cathay are offering the same product.

HKE is doing the 0300 am to Manila from the remote terminal.

HKE has neither the product, nor the slots or the aircraft. The airport is full. The chairman says HKE is serving a niche market, stopped the expansion and just cancelled the aircraft on order.

What else do you guys need?

So CX payed all that money for HKE so they could do the 3am flight to Manila (and similar)? No network synergies, no harmonization, just stand-alone, niche markets in the middle of the night? What a rip off!!! Now that sounds like the modern day CX I know... Five years of massive, upside down fuel hedges and now this. Will the CX employees have to pay for HKE too? Because we certainly have been paying for the fuel hedges.
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Old 30th Jul 2019, 17:18
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Of course CX employees will be paying for HKE. I'm surprised you would even pose that as a question.
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Old 30th Jul 2019, 19:56
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Originally Posted by CXDOG View Post
Ok this time I’m agreeing with STW. ‘Upgrade from SO to JFO is ‘projected’ to increase to seven years’ is a fabrication. The P2X rating is only valid for 5 years. Cannot be renewed or extended. Therefore upgrade will never exceed 5 years.
Y'all been drinking the CX cool-aid again.. What part of don't listen to CX BS don't you get !!
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Old 31st Jul 2019, 02:34
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Originally Posted by Flex88 View Post
Y'all been drinking the CX cool-aid again.. What part of don't listen to CX BS don't you get !!
It ain’t CX BS. When I was an SO years ago I actually read the CAD regs. It’s in there you twit 😂

A quick google search found it (HKCAD P2X). HKCAD Requirements Document – Pilot Licences & Associated Ratings Sect 9.6.2 last sentence “The holder of a restricted rating will be expected to be qualified for an unrestricted rating within a period of 5 years since the endorsement of a P2X rating.”

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Old 31st Jul 2019, 09:18
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Originally Posted by CXDOG View Post

It ain’t CX BS. When I was an SO years ago I actually read the CAD regs. It’s in there you twit 😂

A quick google search found it (HKCAD P2X). HKCAD Requirements Document – Pilot Licences & Associated Ratings Sect 9.6.2 last sentence “The holder of a restricted rating will be expected to be qualified for an unrestricted rating within a period of 5 years since the endorsement of a P2X rating.”
I’m sorry to dampen your enthusiasm, but your post was almost endearing. Anyone with airline experience will know that a phrase like ‘expected to be’ is equivalent to ‘at company discretion’, which means the company will do whatever they want to, whenever they want to, preferably from the aft part of your anatomy, if it will save them money or just because they can.
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Old 31st Jul 2019, 10:00
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So, just to summarise

pilot shortage

mass exodus ( looming/already happening)

HKE taking our routes

7.5 years to J/FO

S/O x 2 on long haul

Pos18 for all

RA55 will stay on to 65

Swire will sell Cathay to China
China will march in

Fuel Hedge is a big swindle to funnel money to Swire

Hole in the ground because of lack of experience

747 is the worst possible punishment/ life sentence

pollution is killing us all







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Old 31st Jul 2019, 10:27
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STW, you forgot to mention weasels going into training
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Old 31st Jul 2019, 11:25
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Weasels? You’re very polite!

Originally Posted by Threethirty View Post
STW, you forgot to mention weasels going into training
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Old 31st Jul 2019, 13:04
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Originally Posted by Sam Ting Wong View Post
So, just to summarise

pilot shortage

mass exodus ( looming/already happening)

HKE taking our routes

7.5 years to J/FO

S/O x 2 on long haul

Pos18 for all

RA55 will stay on to 65

Swire will sell Cathay to China
China will march in

Fuel Hedge is a big swindle to funnel money to Swire

Hole in the ground because of lack of experience

747 is the worst possible punishment/ life sentence

pollution is killing us all
If only CX could clone STW, they’d be all set. No pushback from pilots on anything, ever, and nothing but glowing praise regardless. Think how far they could reduce the terms with thousands of STWs... It reminds me of the movie, Oblivion. Quite good, btw.
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Old 31st Jul 2019, 16:50
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Just let me know should there be a locust plague or impalements so I can add it to the list.

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Old 31st Jul 2019, 21:24
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Originally Posted by Sam Ting Wong View Post
Just let me know should there be a locust plague or impalements so I can add it to the list.

Locusts would die in the HK pollution before a plague could occur.

Perhaps all those PLA troops on the border will provide the impalements on Monday...

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Old 1st Aug 2019, 11:52
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Originally Posted by Sam Ting Wong View Post
So, just to summarise

pilot shortage

mass exodus ( looming/already happening)

HKE taking our routes

7.5 years to J/FO

S/O x 2 on long haul

Pos18 for all

RA55 will stay on to 65

Swire will sell Cathay to China
China will march in

Fuel Hedge is a big swindle to funnel money to Swire

Hole in the ground because of lack of experience

747 is the worst possible punishment/ life sentence

pollution is killing us all







You forgot to add that we’re all alcoholics too according to AvMed.

Did my stint in CX. Effectively used it as a CV builder before going home a few years back. Never been happier. Most of the Armageddon scenarios probably wont actually happen but bear in mind it IS a relentlessly negative place to work and, for some, a borderline depressing experience. HK isn’t a walk in the park either. And financially it’s even worse on the D Scale. These days with a licence and a pulse you almost certainly have better options than SO at CX.

As you may gather, I still pop in here occasionally to remind other potential victims of the above. I consider it my own way of paying it back 🙂
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Old 1st Aug 2019, 16:45
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Originally Posted by FRYVA View Post


You forgot to add that we’re all alcoholics too according to AvMed.

Did my stint in CX. Effectively used it as a CV builder before going home a few years back. Never been happier. Most of the Armageddon scenarios probably wont actually happen but bear in mind it IS a relentlessly negative place to work and, for some, a borderline depressing experience. HK isn’t a walk in the park either. And financially it’s even worse on the D Scale. These days with a licence and a pulse you almost certainly have better options than SO at CX.

As you may gather, I still pop in here occasionally to remind other potential victims of the above. I consider it my own way of paying it back 🙂
Did a decade at CX. CoS 99. The SO years were miserable. Leaving that toxic place was the best decision I ever made. To correct the worst one.

The only reason to join CX is if no carriers at home will pick you up. Which in itself says enough.
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Old 2nd Aug 2019, 04:21
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Originally Posted by CXDOG View Post
Ok this time I’m agreeing with STW. ‘Upgrade from SO to JFO is ‘projected’ to increase to seven years’ is a fabrication. The P2X rating is only valid for 5 years. Cannot be renewed or extended. Therefore upgrade will never exceed 5 years.
From CAD54
" The holder of a restricted rating will be expected to be qualified for an unrestricted rating within a period of 5 years since the endorsement of a P2X rating"

Key word being "expected".
On that same note, I'm "expecting" to receive a pay adjustment in line with current inflation, plus compounding back pay for the years which my pay has not been adjusted.
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