Enough With The Scab Rehetoric!!
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Enough With The Scab Rehetoric!!
This bit about calling new hires Scabs:
This TOTAL BS spewed by those who are too spineless to go on strike.
When new hires showed up at ASL they were called scabs.
If the AOA showed some Balls and at least called for a strike vote ... then a new hire is a scab if and... ONLY IF HE CROSSES A PICKET LINE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I don’t see a picket. Any one else see a picket? No? Any one?
CX is expanding and the new hire is for new cockpits or normal attrition. Totally separate to the 49.
I don't agree with the sacking or Union busting - but for gods sake $hit or get off the pot!
The AOA don’t get it – it is turning away pilots that support it with its pathetic Ban and weakening its position daily
Zoolander, “a Scab is some one who crosses a picket line to take your work from you and your members when you are on strike.”
This TOTAL BS spewed by those who are too spineless to go on strike.
When new hires showed up at ASL they were called scabs.
If the AOA showed some Balls and at least called for a strike vote ... then a new hire is a scab if and... ONLY IF HE CROSSES A PICKET LINE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I don’t see a picket. Any one else see a picket? No? Any one?
CX is expanding and the new hire is for new cockpits or normal attrition. Totally separate to the 49.
I don't agree with the sacking or Union busting - but for gods sake $hit or get off the pot!
The AOA don’t get it – it is turning away pilots that support it with its pathetic Ban and weakening its position daily
Zoolander, “a Scab is some one who crosses a picket line to take your work from you and your members when you are on strike.”
If it looks like a duck...
Only the CX Director of Flight Operations has officially referred to the new joiners as "scabs".
The HKAOA has referred to them as "replacement workers".
Has CX management got it wrong again? One wonders who is correct?
The HKAOA has referred to them as "replacement workers".
Has CX management got it wrong again? One wonders who is correct?
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Don't you guys get tired of the same old rhetoric and selective quotes? There are no scabs at CX, please remember the initial ASL pilots were called scabs by you lot also and now they are welcomed into the fold.
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Piz Buin, you're 100% right!
It is a term used only by those on their knees in the corner with no way out without having their heads kicked in, probably by the airline's management. And havent their assoication/union backed themselves into a corner here?
I have an Australian friend who was part of the 89 dispute, and he's of the same opinion. I can't imagine anyone ever agreeing with the then PM, but he was right when he said that the dispute ended with the resignations, therefore nobody took the job of anybody who was on strike.
Likewise, nobody is taking a striker's job in Hong Kong.
Those in the wrong can't have it all ways. Either there is a strike or there isnt a strike.
Curious.
It is a term used only by those on their knees in the corner with no way out without having their heads kicked in, probably by the airline's management. And havent their assoication/union backed themselves into a corner here?
I have an Australian friend who was part of the 89 dispute, and he's of the same opinion. I can't imagine anyone ever agreeing with the then PM, but he was right when he said that the dispute ended with the resignations, therefore nobody took the job of anybody who was on strike.
Likewise, nobody is taking a striker's job in Hong Kong.
Those in the wrong can't have it all ways. Either there is a strike or there isnt a strike.
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O-Levels?
"Definition of a Strikebreaker," by Jack London
JACK LONDON, the man who wrote the famous definition of a scab, was born on Jan. 12, 1876 in San Francisco. London's bloodcurdling definition of a strikebreaker - a person who takes a striking worker's job and goes to work behind a picketline - follows:
"After God had finished the rattlesnake, the toad, the vampire, He had some awful substance left with which He made a scab. A scab is a two-legged animal with a corkscrew soul, a water-logged brain, a combination backbone made of jelly and glue. Where others have hearts he carries a tumor of rotten principle.
When a scab comes down the street men turn their backs and angels weep in Heaven, and the devil shuts the gates of Hell to keep him out. No man has a right to scab so long as there is a pool of water to drown his body in, or a rope long enough to hang his carcass with.
JUDAS ISCARIOT was a gentleman compared with a scab. For betraying his Master he had character enough to hang himself - a scab has not. Esau sold his birthright for a mess of pottage. Judas Iscariot sold his Savior for 30 pieces of silver. Benedict Arnold sold his country for the promise of a commission in the British Army.
The modern strikebreaker sells his birthright, his country, his wife, his children, and his fellow man for an unfilled promise from his employer, trust or corporation. Esau was a traitor to himself. Judas Iscariot was a traitor to his God. Benedict Arnold was a traitor to his country; a strikebreaker to his God, his country, his family, his class.
A real man will never scab."
JACK LONDON, the man who wrote the famous definition of a scab, was born on Jan. 12, 1876 in San Francisco. London's bloodcurdling definition of a strikebreaker - a person who takes a striking worker's job and goes to work behind a picketline - follows:
"After God had finished the rattlesnake, the toad, the vampire, He had some awful substance left with which He made a scab. A scab is a two-legged animal with a corkscrew soul, a water-logged brain, a combination backbone made of jelly and glue. Where others have hearts he carries a tumor of rotten principle.
When a scab comes down the street men turn their backs and angels weep in Heaven, and the devil shuts the gates of Hell to keep him out. No man has a right to scab so long as there is a pool of water to drown his body in, or a rope long enough to hang his carcass with.
JUDAS ISCARIOT was a gentleman compared with a scab. For betraying his Master he had character enough to hang himself - a scab has not. Esau sold his birthright for a mess of pottage. Judas Iscariot sold his Savior for 30 pieces of silver. Benedict Arnold sold his country for the promise of a commission in the British Army.
The modern strikebreaker sells his birthright, his country, his wife, his children, and his fellow man for an unfilled promise from his employer, trust or corporation. Esau was a traitor to himself. Judas Iscariot was a traitor to his God. Benedict Arnold was a traitor to his country; a strikebreaker to his God, his country, his family, his class.
A real man will never scab."
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So, SOLO, apart from a definition, what are you saying, or trying to say.
My reading is, still, that those who take jobs in CX right now are not scabs, just as those who took jobs in Australia back in 89 -90 weren't. Additionally, those who accept upgrades aren't.
But...and it is a big BUT, those who accept upgrades, but 'encourage' new starts not to come along and join CX, are damned hypocrites.
I think the intimidation of those would be new starts by suggesting no jump seat travel, the likelihood of failing checks, isolation, etc is appalling.
My reading is, still, that those who take jobs in CX right now are not scabs, just as those who took jobs in Australia back in 89 -90 weren't. Additionally, those who accept upgrades aren't.
But...and it is a big BUT, those who accept upgrades, but 'encourage' new starts not to come along and join CX, are damned hypocrites.
I think the intimidation of those would be new starts by suggesting no jump seat travel, the likelihood of failing checks, isolation, etc is appalling.
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Yo, "Hand Solo" (direct quote from a really funny movie about really good looking people - but I digress). What are you four years old?
SOLO "Definition of a Strikebreaker," by Jack London
JACK LONDON, the man who wrote the famous definition of a scab, was born on Jan. 12, 1876 in San Francisco. London's bloodcurdling definition of a strikebreaker - a person who takes a striking worker's job and goes to work behind a picket line - follows:
DUDE YOU SAID IT: STRIKE BREAKER and Picket Line
JACK LONDON SAID IT: STRIKE BREAKER and Picket Line
ZOOLANDER SAID IT: STRIKEBREAKER x’s Picket Line = SCAB! So until I see a picket line I think Ya’ll are out of order, and irrelevant.
Hey here is a novel Idea: Why don't you go on Strike 'cause,” you talk the talk, but can you walk the walk"
PILOTS PULLIN DOWN 150 - 300 k / year give out the LAMO "Can't strike cause it's against the HK Law...or Can't strike cause I don't want to sell my 40 footer or lose my housing allowance or sell my condo in Maui / Whistler - cause I never saved for a strike - cause I'm really not pro union - I just get tired of being called on my day off and I thought the Union might fix that ...ya its too bad about those 49ers (better them than me though).
Hey I got an Idea lets make all those unemployed guys go on a virtual strike (jeeze there sure are a lot more of them since 9/11) ... Ya and if they don't like it we won't be their friends, and we will get IFALPA (not quite the same clout as ALPA) to put them on a black list and they wont be able to ride jump-seats and stuff (hey CX don't have no jump-seat agreements....SHHHH!) and we will call them Scabs and make them feel bad and stuff.......
Jee… I wonder what old Jack would think of that type of Union member ... pathetic comes to mind.
As an ALPA member in good standing I would be screaming at my MEC for not calling a strike vote when the sackings took place.... but as ALPA said, "The AOA was not psychologically ready to strike."
SOLO "Definition of a Strikebreaker," by Jack London
JACK LONDON, the man who wrote the famous definition of a scab, was born on Jan. 12, 1876 in San Francisco. London's bloodcurdling definition of a strikebreaker - a person who takes a striking worker's job and goes to work behind a picket line - follows:
DUDE YOU SAID IT: STRIKE BREAKER and Picket Line
JACK LONDON SAID IT: STRIKE BREAKER and Picket Line
ZOOLANDER SAID IT: STRIKEBREAKER x’s Picket Line = SCAB! So until I see a picket line I think Ya’ll are out of order, and irrelevant.
Hey here is a novel Idea: Why don't you go on Strike 'cause,” you talk the talk, but can you walk the walk"
PILOTS PULLIN DOWN 150 - 300 k / year give out the LAMO "Can't strike cause it's against the HK Law...or Can't strike cause I don't want to sell my 40 footer or lose my housing allowance or sell my condo in Maui / Whistler - cause I never saved for a strike - cause I'm really not pro union - I just get tired of being called on my day off and I thought the Union might fix that ...ya its too bad about those 49ers (better them than me though).
Hey I got an Idea lets make all those unemployed guys go on a virtual strike (jeeze there sure are a lot more of them since 9/11) ... Ya and if they don't like it we won't be their friends, and we will get IFALPA (not quite the same clout as ALPA) to put them on a black list and they wont be able to ride jump-seats and stuff (hey CX don't have no jump-seat agreements....SHHHH!) and we will call them Scabs and make them feel bad and stuff.......
Jee… I wonder what old Jack would think of that type of Union member ... pathetic comes to mind.
As an ALPA member in good standing I would be screaming at my MEC for not calling a strike vote when the sackings took place.... but as ALPA said, "The AOA was not psychologically ready to strike."
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It was just a little history on the term, thought it might stop, or at least stem the name calling.
BTW, the pilots who went to Oz from the USA are on the so called pilot "list."
Speaking about name calling...
Hand Solo, too funny. At least I can turn in both directions...
BTW, the pilots who went to Oz from the USA are on the so called pilot "list."
Speaking about name calling...
Hand Solo, too funny. At least I can turn in both directions...
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