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Is a 0% pay rise really acceptable?

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Is a 0% pay rise really acceptable?

Old 13th Dec 2018, 04:59
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I agree with you that even on a “rumour “ network you should not make stuff up.
How are rumours ever going to start?
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Old 16th Dec 2018, 20:29
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At the risk of asking a stupid question, why doesn’t the GC just pencil in their floor amount on the outstanding item and volley it back to the company. “Here is our final offer. Let us know. Have a nice day.”

Seriously.
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Old 16th Dec 2018, 21:31
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Originally Posted by Penske View Post
At the risk of asking a stupid question, why doesn’t the GC just pencil in their floor amount on the outstanding item and volley it back to the company. “Here is our final offer. Let us know. Have a nice day.”

Seriously.
... because they are worried they might end up with no “deal”. Somehow, the HKAOA has turned a negotiating position of strength into weakness. Truly an own goal!
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Old 16th Dec 2018, 21:53
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Perhaps a 1% pay rise is deemed an adequate return for years of CC/TB?
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Old 17th Dec 2018, 04:23
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The company has the upper hand because of a bundled deal. It’s bollocks
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Old 17th Dec 2018, 10:36
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I am so disappointed in the GC/NC lately, why cant they jut walk away, not even recommend it to us and tell the company they will talk when they are serious about negotiating. It is so one sided it isn't funny.
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Old 18th Dec 2018, 00:52
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The company is hurting with the number of resignations occurring, so take a look at the offer and walk . Have a pre arranged signal so the entire N.C. walks at exactly the same moment .
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Old 18th Dec 2018, 09:19
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Originally Posted by TurningFinalRWY36 View Post
I am so disappointed in the GC/NC lately, why cant they jut walk away, not even recommend it to us and tell the company they will talk when they are serious about negotiating. It is so one sided it isn't funny.
Good question. Ummmm- because do you want 3 people deciding the outcome for 2400 pilots? Do you want 21 pilots deciding the outcome for 2400 pilots?

Or, how about 2400 pilots decide what they want to happen for the foreseeable future?
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Old 18th Dec 2018, 09:29
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Originally Posted by Dan Buster View Post
Or 2400 pilots could say to our NC, 'if they offer a bundled deal WALK AWAY.'
Yup that would 100% work! Let me know when the vote on that is happening
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Old 18th Dec 2018, 09:31
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don't be fooled by the basing email that was sent out today. Think about why they would dangle the basing carrot just before a deal is meant to be voted on. Once again you will fall in to the companies trap. If the deal is no good vote it down, force them to finally do the right thing.
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Old 18th Dec 2018, 10:33
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Base slots subject to training capacity......which is zero!
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Old 18th Dec 2018, 16:57
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you do realise people will foolishly vote in the deal in the hopes of getting a base. It is just a ploy to get us to sign a crappy deal. Don't fall for it people, bases are not coming back. Fight for your contract, get a fair deal, dont just pick up the crumbs in the hope of a base that wont be available

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Old 18th Dec 2018, 22:27
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Originally Posted by Cpt. Underpants View Post
Wait for the "personal appeal" letter in your CMB soon. The jellyfish will try to reason with you on a "personal" basis, invoking (possibly) your family, kids, vague undertakings regarding home port bases, suggesting fleet transfers, or whatever it takes to sucker you into an acceptance of "the offer".
Don't fall for it. They are as dishonest as the day is long. It's a trap. They're screwed without cc and tb gone. Stay the course.
Told you it would happen. The “vague undertaking regarding home port bases” has just been published.

Dont fall for it, kids.
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Old 19th Dec 2018, 07:47
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Bases

. Out goes the hook, now let's see how many persons of reduced intellect take the bait...
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Old 19th Dec 2018, 08:53
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A lot. Some have already put up giddy posts on Yammer.
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Old 21st Dec 2018, 03:02
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Fishing is more fun when you catch some.
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