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So if itís so bad....why arenít you all quitting?

Old 29th Nov 2018, 03:36
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Originally Posted by unitedabx View Post
I applied thru the IntraCX for a reference letter for a tax loan ( most HK banks will ask for one now, apparently CX not a blue chip employer ) .Should get one within 4-5 working days. Not so, the secretary who deals with these requests told me more likely 2-3 weeks. Quote "I am am dealing with general employment refernce letters for all the pilots leaving" she told me. "There are hundreds" unquote.
another bs rumour just like your ADL walkout rumour from you 'neighbours daughter'
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Old 29th Nov 2018, 04:33
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Isn't it impolite for management to be posting in the presence of The Dear Leader during his auditorium speech?
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Old 29th Nov 2018, 11:57
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Originally Posted by unitedabx View Post
I applied thru the IntraCX for a reference letter for a tax loan ( most HK banks will ask for one now, apparently CX not a blue chip employer ) .Should get one within 4-5 working days. Not so, the secretary who deals with these requests told me more likely 2-3 weeks. Quote "I am am dealing with general employment refernce letters for all the pilots leaving" she told me. "There are hundreds" unquote.
Total crap! Tax loan received within 24hrs the other day without any documents from cx. Using it to boost deposit for property, overseas bank wanted an updated reference letter which I applied for and came through the same day.
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Old 1st Dec 2018, 01:53
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Originally Posted by main_dog View Post
As a good Kiwi mate of mine (who left CX after 10+ yrs to join Air NZ and never looked back) used to say, ďdonít get mad, get even!Ē
Can you post his brutal 70+ sectors a month domestic roster. Hats off to him working like a dog, paid peanuts just to get back to NZ.
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Old 1st Dec 2018, 01:56
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Originally Posted by sodapop View Post



I know of 2 CNs who left CX for DEC at Jet2 in the past 2 years
why is it ok to take DEC at Jet2 and shaft Jet 2 F/Os but not ok when DEFO join and shaft S/O at CX. Never understood that, we use seniority when it suits.
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Old 1st Dec 2018, 07:45
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Originally Posted by ADFUS View Post
Please try harder morningcoffee. 70+ sectors?? I realise you have an agenda to spin but don't talk sh*t when you don't know sh*t!
77 hrs a month the 320 fleet is averaging and it’s a 50 minute sector AKL WLG. Slightly longer to CHC. I’ve seen the roster and it ain’t pretty.
You think it’s one return WLG and then 4 days off? Post a 320 roster then.....Air NZ can work you like a dog because you can’t complain, it’s the only gig in town.

Training pay for the first 6 months when you join is $20k a year, bwahahaha and guys line up to take it.

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Old 1st Dec 2018, 08:28
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MC said:
Training pay for the first 6 months when you join is $20k a year, bwahahaha and guys line up to take it.
And that tells anyone with a brain cell exactly what level being employed by Swire and the CPA Group has fallen to......
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Old 1st Dec 2018, 09:31
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77 hrs a month the 320 fleet is averaging and it’s a 50 minute sector AKL WLG. Slightly longer to CHC. I’ve seen the roster and it ain’t pretty.
Sounds like a KA roster.
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Old 1st Dec 2018, 12:19
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Originally Posted by Dan Winterland View Post
Sounds like a KA roster.
Except doing it for less than half the pay, double the tax and half the amount leave you would get at KA. Also, lets not forget the 25 years to command on a widebody...
Sign me up!
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Old 1st Dec 2018, 15:16
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Hereís the catch.
If ANZ (or QF, VA, BA, AF, AC, AA etc) are as bad, if not worse, than CX in providing quality of life and remuneration, why is the movement of pilots between CX and these airlines not cancelling each other out? I can name dozens of former colleagues who have gone to each of these airlines, but I canít think of the last pilot we recruited from any of these companies.

Itís a fair question to then ask why is everyone not quitting CX. It comes with a simple answer. Seniority.
Joining the bottom of a seniority list in a legacy carrier is like making a very long term investment. To withdraw early with zero return to then be able to reinvest long term elsewhere makes perfect sense. To withdraw 10 years later to reinvest medium term elsewhere is a gamble. To withdraw 20 years later to reinvest short term elsewhere makes very little sense.
Yet guys and girls still are. A 260 perecent increase in attrition in just 4 years is testimony to that.
And none of their replacements are coming from Air New Zealand.
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Old 1st Dec 2018, 20:55
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Originally Posted by morningcoffee View Post

77 hrs a month the 320 fleet is averaging and itís a 50 minute sector AKL WLG. Slightly longer to CHC. Iíve seen the roster and it ainít pretty.
You think itís one return WLG and then 4 days off? Post a 320 roster then.....Air NZ can work you like a dog because you canít complain, itís the only gig in town.

Training pay for the first 6 months when you join is $20k a year, bwahahaha and guys line up to take it.

MC you are so full of s**t. I have plenty of friends that work there and know plenty at CX awaiting courses. The fact that captains are dumping seniority to fly there must tell you something. Even on the turbo prop fleet at Air New Zealand the training pay is around 40k per year. And while it does suck a little bit it isnít the end of the world and lasts for 2 months not 6. I understand you must be getting a little nervous that people have actually left CX to go there.
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Old 1st Dec 2018, 23:41
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Originally Posted by CxEx2 View Post


MC you are so full of s**t. I have plenty of friends that work there and know plenty at CX awaiting courses. The fact that captains are dumping seniority to fly there must tell you something. Even on the turbo prop fleet at Air New Zealand the training pay is around 40k per year. And while it does suck a little bit it isnít the end of the world and lasts for 2 months not 6. I understand you must be getting a little nervous that people have actually left CX to go there.
I couldnít care whoís going, Iím just saying that they can pay whatever they want, roster you whatever they want and guys will sign up. You can go on about a sh*t deal at CX but the fact is aviation is a sh*t deal everywhere.
Best part is you think $40K a year under training is a great deal, and it only last 2 months. Ground school, sims, line training, checks in 2 months? It used to be no pay during training and still guys signed up. End of the day guys will join the Koru irrespective of Air NZís lousy pay and roster. Nothing CX can do to change that.
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Old 2nd Dec 2018, 00:08
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Originally Posted by morningcoffee View Post

I couldnít care whoís going, Iím just saying that they can pay whatever they want, roster you whatever they want and guys will sign up. You can go on about a sh*t deal at CX but the fact is aviation is a sh*t deal everywhere.
Best part is you think $40K a year under training is a great deal, and it only last 2 months. Ground school, sims, line training, checks in 2 months? It used to be no pay during training and still guys signed up. End of the day guys will join the Koru irrespective of Air NZís lousy pay and roster. Nothing CX can do to change that.

Simple question MC.

If I may mix metaphors, if all of aviation is an equally ďsh*t deal everywhereĒ, why are the pilots jumping out of the frying pan into the fire looking for greener grass, not being replaced by pilots jumping out of the fire into the frying pan?
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Old 2nd Dec 2018, 00:29
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I always enjoy watching MC thrash around like a raving lunatic inside his cubicle, as is obviously the case with his last post. The man needs a valium.
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Old 2nd Dec 2018, 00:35
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Originally Posted by morningcoffee View Post

I couldnít care whoís going, Iím just saying that they can pay whatever they want, roster you whatever they want and guys will sign up. You can go on about a sh*t deal at CX but the fact is aviation is a sh*t deal everywhere.
Best part is you think $40K a year under training is a great deal, and it only last 2 months. Ground school, sims, line training, checks in 2 months? It used to be no pay during training and still guys signed up. End of the day guys will join the Koru irrespective of Air NZís lousy pay and roster. Nothing CX can do to change that.
And how does this compare to getting paid 100AUS per week ďunder training in AdelaideĒ?
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Old 2nd Dec 2018, 01:13
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....and then having that cost deducted when you arrive in Hong Kong on “normal salary”?
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Old 2nd Dec 2018, 02:41
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Originally Posted by enoughisenough_ View Post


Except doing it for less than half the pay, double the tax and half the amount leave you would get at KA. Also, lets not forget the 25 years to command on a widebody...
Sign me up!
Iíd honestly leaving flying than work at KA, ANZ may work as hard with less leave and higher tax, but what cost do you put living in a dump flying to the arsehole of the world daily dealing with pigs.
seriously comparing the two is a joke.
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Old 2nd Dec 2018, 07:18
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Originally Posted by sydneyman View Post


Iíd honestly leaving flying than work at KA, ANZ may work as hard with less leave and higher tax, but what cost do you put living in a dump flying to the arsehole of the world daily dealing with pigs.
seriously comparing the two is a joke.
Sorry sydneyman. Syntax and punctuation makes that hard to follow. Are you talking of NZ or HKG being the dump? I see issues in both.
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Old 3rd Dec 2018, 00:56
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Originally Posted by mngmt mole View Post
I always enjoy watching MC thrash around like a raving lunatic inside his cubicle, as is obviously the case with his last post. The man needs a valium.
Iím assuming you have absolutely no idea what T&C are like anywhere else. You havenít mentioned a single job out there thatís better.
The market will change and QF & AirNZ will go back to the usual 10-15 yrs to a narrowbody command.

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Old 3rd Dec 2018, 00:58
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Originally Posted by CxEx2 View Post


And how does this compare to getting paid 100AUS per week ďunder training in AdelaideĒ?
So both employers are garbage, is that what youíre saying?
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