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Beyond 55 extensions are here.

Old 12th Nov 2018, 07:39
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Beyond 55 extensions are here.

Some captains have been invited into their fleet offices by their CP's and offered extensions beyond 55. Same salary, no housing, COS18 medical and 900 hours a year.
Another kick in the nuts for FO's awaiting a command and those of us who ticked the "once only" offer to extend to 65.

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Old 12th Nov 2018, 08:05
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Some captains have been invited into their fleet offices by their CP's and offered extensions beyond 55. Same salary, no housing, COS18 medical and 900 hours a year.
Another kick in the nuts for FO's awaiting a command and those of us who ticked the "once only" offer to extend to 65.
Training Ban is taking effect then it seems...
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Old 12th Nov 2018, 08:16
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Plus (if anyone takes it) a data point if ARAPA is realy needed or not...
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Old 12th Nov 2018, 08:18
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That is not an extension, it is an individually negotiated bad deal involving turning up to work the day after you are 55 and doing the exact same job for less. Losers!

It is not an “extension” which would by definition be an extended term on your current conditions.

Individual renegotiation of your remuneration package just creates yet another set of employees on a different package. It also accelerates the race to POS18 as you never really know what the guy before you accepted! The company love this cretinous and greedy behaviour!

Some may even classify it as direct entry captain recruitment?

Name and shame perhaps?
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Old 12th Nov 2018, 08:35
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Originally Posted by unitedabx View Post
Some captains have been invited into their fleet offices by their CP's and offered extensions beyond 55. Same salary, no housing, COS18 medical and 900 hours a year.
Another kick in the nuts for FO's awaiting a command and those of us who ticked the "once only" offer to extend to 65.
Another fine example of how indifferent CP's FTM's etc. are to the plight of others who are struggling to remain relevant in what was once a great and respected career. All this simply to massage their massive egos at the expense of others. I'm important, I was selected from the best to be a manager, I'm powerful.... Puke.
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Old 12th Nov 2018, 08:52
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Originally Posted by Farman Biplane View Post
That is not an extension, it is an individually negotiated bad deal involving turning up to work the day after you are 55 and doing the exact same job for less. Losers!

It is not an “extension” which would by definition be an extended term on your current conditions.

Individual renegotiation of your remuneration package just creates yet another set of employees on a different package. It also accelerates the race to POS18 as you never really know what the guy before you accepted! The company love this cretinous and greedy behaviour!

Some may even classify it as direct entry captain recruitment?

Name and shame perhaps?
I don't think this warrants name and shame. We already have one pilot on D scale which he negotiated himself. It merely shows how desperate the fleet offices are getting. Private deals might suit some but they will be private deals so cannot be tolerated by the union or other pilots. God knows what other aspects of a private deal would entail ? Reporting flightdeck conversations perhaps. Who likes a drink down route. Who bad mouths the company.
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Old 12th Nov 2018, 08:55
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Originally Posted by Farman Biplane View Post
Name and shame perhaps?
You're assuming these people have any shame in the first place.
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Old 12th Nov 2018, 09:44
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Contract Compliance

One would assume then that as these individuals are showing ‘goodwill’ this would be against the spirit of Contract Compliance and therefore they will be ejected from the HKAOA?
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Old 12th Nov 2018, 09:48
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Everyone, focus on the bigger picture. The number of +55's that sign over will be a drop in the bucket. Three FO's resigned today alone. Fact. This company is imploding, and they desperately want you to be convinced otherwise. Instead of worrying about "seniority", worry about getting out of CX and establishing a career elsewhere. By making an issue of the 55's, you are giving the management evidence that you are intending on staying. Be smart.
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Old 12th Nov 2018, 09:58
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"B" scalers can work unimpeded until 65 at Cathay Dragon. Full T&C's , no reduction .

working unto 65 in HK, is this a bonus ?
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Old 12th Nov 2018, 14:42
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Originally Posted by unitedabx View Post
Some captains have been invited into their fleet offices by their CP's and offered extensions beyond 55. Same salary, no housing, COS18 medical and 900 hours a year.
Another kick in the nuts for FO's awaiting a command and those of us who ticked the "once only" offer to extend to 65.

unfortunately this was always coming ....there is a massive pilot shortage looming on the horizon.
Only natural thing to do.
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Old 12th Nov 2018, 23:45
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Semi- retirement
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Old 13th Nov 2018, 00:18
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Really Unitedabx——“Beyond 55 extensions are here”.....where ya been? Extensions past 55 were offered and taken by many many people as far back as when we had the bloody 747-200F. This is NOT a new idea and many FO’s were delayed before.
They extended a 777 STC last year on Cos99 past 55.....

That Horse bolted more than 20 years ago mate.....

A lot of us also lost out a lot when they started ASL in 1997 ( approx ) and employed a lot of DEC’s to fly the Freighter.
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Old 13th Nov 2018, 01:24
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Really Unitedabx——“Beyond 55 extensions are here”.....where ya been? Extensions past 55 were offered and taken by many many people as far back as when we had the bloody 747-200F. This is NOT a new idea and many FO’s were delayed before.
They extended a 777 STC last year on Cos99 past 55.....

That Horse bolted more than 20 years ago mate.....

A lot of us also lost out a lot when they started ASL in 1997 ( approx ) and employed a lot of DEC’s to fly the Freighter.
My point is up to 3 months ago such extensions were not on offer. Some guys approached th company to extend and were told no. Now this has changed and the company is approaching the pilots.
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Old 13th Nov 2018, 02:15
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There are figures of about 300 pilots hitting 65 and 55 at the same time over the next year.
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Old 13th Nov 2018, 03:52
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This will be fun to watch to see who signs over, it will also be interesting seeing several hundred retire next year on top of the increasing resignation rate
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Old 13th Nov 2018, 04:23
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Frogman: as much as I would LOVE to see numbers like that, my figures show something closer to 45 next year and about 60 for the following year.

However, I believe we lost about 100 in 2014, when the retirement number should have been 12, and this year should have seen only 25 go, so we are seeing many multiples more leave.
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Old 13th Nov 2018, 05:11
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The RA65 guys are easy to predict, RA55 not so much as there was a very big bulge of senior FOs who were after the bypass pay and didn't sign. A lot of those guys in their early 50s now with definitive numbers impossible to predict outside of our anti personnel department. Include the older guys who have just had enough of the CX crap and a number of 300 Captains may not be far off.

Even if 100 left it would be impossible to replace them with the current operation. No wonder offers are being made.
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Old 13th Nov 2018, 05:33
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Originally Posted by JY9024 View Post
Training Ban is taking effect then it seems...
As I posted earlier:

Originally Posted by Airbubba;
Yep, it looks like it's all over but the shouting...

The time for direct pilot input has long gone it seems. As one of my friends there says, "the union has already been busted".

I would love to be wrong on this one.
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Perhaps you feel the sacking of your colleagues deserves a hiring ban for others while continuing to train and accept upgrades yourselves.


I'll certainly honor the hiring band. I could never pass the tests or afford the cut in pay. However, I agree with others here that if you're not willing to do more yourselves for your fallen comrades, your threats of name calling to outsiders will sound hollow indeed.

Anyway, please prove me wrong and take the bull by the horns!

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Old 13th Nov 2018, 05:38
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Originally Posted by Frogman1484 View Post
300 pilots hitting 65 and 55 at the same time over the next year.
Thats quite a cunning trick.
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