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You must also reaslise that any merger will be orchastratedby CX not KA. Your managers are just drawing their salaries. The real decisons are being made by CX management. God help us all.
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Perhaps a motion for both union's is needed to get each union's ducks in a row, each based on DOJ.
That way the ducks won't be put in order by management which no doubt will cause a major clusterf#@k.
That way the ducks won't be put in order by management which no doubt will cause a major clusterf#@k.
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And now integration, of sorts. But that will keep KA Captains from jumping over the precipice. A350 course in 2020? Very nice
Gandeburga, I usually enjoy your intuitive posts , but this time you are all of a ramble old chap. The DB marina woes getting to you?
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Merger.......iffy
Merging of KA & CX, it isn’t going to happen! The company have sought economies of scale to the maximum possible (shared facilities in cx city, duplicated positions elimated and transferred to CX, more to come) A large sum of money was spent on the rebranding of KA to align it with CX as closely as possible to strengthen the group brand and allow the synergies mentioned above without a merger, for the specifc reason of wanting to avoid a merger, but bring the synergies and economies that would have come from one! (How Cathay)
Might be a nice thought for a 15+ year KA Skipper who might one day fly long haul (unlikely since CX don’t allow fleet changes) Or a 5-6 year CX FO dreaming of an early command on the narrow body regional operation, but it won’t happen as it doesn’t benefit management & the stakeholder!
Every year this comes up and every year nothing happens, look at COS18 and other pressing items (bases,fleet transfer,housing,RA55-65) if you want something to worry about!
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Merging lists ain't going happen. It's a pipe dream of a small, but vocal, number of KA pilots. Here's a reality check.
There are 3 parties and here's their motivations.
1. For 500 KA pilots this is good news. Lose very little, gain access to ULH rosters and Bases (ha..ha..remember those?)
2. For 2500 CX pilots it's very bad news. The FO looking for a quick upgrade is a bit of a "unicorn". Remember, they are far from a majority and if they wanted the quick upgrade, they would have joined KA in the first place!!
3. The company risks litigation (particularly from the foreign unions under first world labour laws) and a stouch from CX pilots, particularly the Captains, Senior FOs and SOs. (The majority). The company does gain flexibility of crewing particularly on the 330.
As always, the company will be the driver in any decision making process, not the unions. Rather than risk a fight, the company can simply offer CX pilots secondment to KA. The DPA might try and oppose, but they didn't oppose training CX JFOs, so I can't see them opposing secondments. The company get what they want, with none of the associated risks.
Sorry to p!ss on your cornflakes, but that's the reality as I see it.
There are 3 parties and here's their motivations.
1. For 500 KA pilots this is good news. Lose very little, gain access to ULH rosters and Bases (ha..ha..remember those?)
2. For 2500 CX pilots it's very bad news. The FO looking for a quick upgrade is a bit of a "unicorn". Remember, they are far from a majority and if they wanted the quick upgrade, they would have joined KA in the first place!!
3. The company risks litigation (particularly from the foreign unions under first world labour laws) and a stouch from CX pilots, particularly the Captains, Senior FOs and SOs. (The majority). The company does gain flexibility of crewing particularly on the 330.
As always, the company will be the driver in any decision making process, not the unions. Rather than risk a fight, the company can simply offer CX pilots secondment to KA. The DPA might try and oppose, but they didn't oppose training CX JFOs, so I can't see them opposing secondments. The company get what they want, with none of the associated risks.
Sorry to p!ss on your cornflakes, but that's the reality as I see it.
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Merging lists ain't going happen. It's a pipe dream of a small, but vocal, number of KA pilots. Here's a reality check.
There are 3 parties and here's their motivations.
1. For 500 KA pilots this is good news. Lose very little, gain access to ULH rosters and Bases (ha..ha..remember those?)
2. For 2500 CX pilots it's very bad news. The FO looking for a quick upgrade is a bit of a "unicorn". Remember, they are far from a majority and if they wanted the quick upgrade, they would have joined KA in the first place!!
3. The company risks litigation (particularly from the foreign unions under first world labour laws) and a stouch from CX pilots, particularly the Captains, Senior FOs and SOs. (The majority). The company does gain flexibility of crewing particularly on the 330.
As always, the company will be the driver in any decision making process, not the unions. Rather than risk a fight, the company can simply offer CX pilots secondment to KA. The DPA might try and oppose, but they didn't oppose training CX JFOs, so I can't see them opposing secondments. The company get what they want, with none of the associated risks.
Sorry to p!ss on your cornflakes, but that's the reality as I see it.
There are 3 parties and here's their motivations.
1. For 500 KA pilots this is good news. Lose very little, gain access to ULH rosters and Bases (ha..ha..remember those?)
2. For 2500 CX pilots it's very bad news. The FO looking for a quick upgrade is a bit of a "unicorn". Remember, they are far from a majority and if they wanted the quick upgrade, they would have joined KA in the first place!!
3. The company risks litigation (particularly from the foreign unions under first world labour laws) and a stouch from CX pilots, particularly the Captains, Senior FOs and SOs. (The majority). The company does gain flexibility of crewing particularly on the 330.
As always, the company will be the driver in any decision making process, not the unions. Rather than risk a fight, the company can simply offer CX pilots secondment to KA. The DPA might try and oppose, but they didn't oppose training CX JFOs, so I can't see them opposing secondments. The company get what they want, with none of the associated risks.
Sorry to p!ss on your cornflakes, but that's the reality as I see it.
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Merging lists ain't going happen. It's a pipe dream of a small, but vocal, number of KA pilots. Here's a reality check.
There are 3 parties and here's their motivations.
1. For 500 KA pilots this is good news. Lose very little, gain access to ULH rosters and Bases (ha..ha..remember those?)
2. For 2500 CX pilots it's very bad news. The FO looking for a quick upgrade is a bit of a "unicorn". Remember, they are far from a majority and if they wanted the quick upgrade, they would have joined KA in the first place!!
3. The company risks litigation (particularly from the foreign unions under first world labour laws) and a stouch from CX pilots, particularly the Captains, Senior FOs and SOs. (The majority). The company does gain flexibility of crewing particularly on the 330.
As always, the company will be the driver in any decision making process, not the unions. Rather than risk a fight, the company can simply offer CX pilots secondment to KA. The DPA might try and oppose, but they didn't oppose training CX JFOs, so I can't see them opposing secondments. The company get what they want, with none of the associated risks.
Sorry to p!ss on your cornflakes, but that's the reality as I see it.
There are 3 parties and here's their motivations.
1. For 500 KA pilots this is good news. Lose very little, gain access to ULH rosters and Bases (ha..ha..remember those?)
2. For 2500 CX pilots it's very bad news. The FO looking for a quick upgrade is a bit of a "unicorn". Remember, they are far from a majority and if they wanted the quick upgrade, they would have joined KA in the first place!!
3. The company risks litigation (particularly from the foreign unions under first world labour laws) and a stouch from CX pilots, particularly the Captains, Senior FOs and SOs. (The majority). The company does gain flexibility of crewing particularly on the 330.
As always, the company will be the driver in any decision making process, not the unions. Rather than risk a fight, the company can simply offer CX pilots secondment to KA. The DPA might try and oppose, but they didn't oppose training CX JFOs, so I can't see them opposing secondments. The company get what they want, with none of the associated risks.
Sorry to p!ss on your cornflakes, but that's the reality as I see it.
Hi Liam,
Please be right ! No integration with CX please.
Never heard the vocal KA minority you speak of ? No doubting they may be there, but they probably keep pretty quiet, as the majority of our pilots are beneficiaries of potentially rapid promotion at KA that would be thwarted by an integration.
CX secondments? We've already had one but the DPA sent him back.
With all due respect are you jumping at shadows? KA pilots have been called to vote on a training ban.
Please be right ! No integration with CX please.
Never heard the vocal KA minority you speak of ? No doubting they may be there, but they probably keep pretty quiet, as the majority of our pilots are beneficiaries of potentially rapid promotion at KA that would be thwarted by an integration.
CX secondments? We've already had one but the DPA sent him back.
With all due respect are you jumping at shadows? KA pilots have been called to vote on a training ban.
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@Gnadenburg, Hope you're right, already talk about some pilots will still accept a training position at KA, (just as they still applied during the hiring ban) and (just like at CX in regards to the training ban) looking out for themselves ....disgraceful, would hope they would be put to shame, if the training ban gets voted through.
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@Gnadenburg, Hope you're right, already talk about some pilots will still accept a training position at KA, (just as they still applied during the hiring ban) and (just like at CX in regards to the training ban) looking out for themselves ....disgraceful, would hope they would be put to shame, if the training ban gets voted through.
Why would anyone in this position vote for this clap trap idea? Its hardly been a success at CX. Embarrassing.
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The word will be No. Half way through a made up Time To Win which is a contrived slogan to make up for the contrived losses of fuel hedging, what else could the word be apart from cannot. Let’s not be naive.
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Couldn't agree more with the above comment. This management has no respect or value towards it's aircrew, and they seem to have a perverse desire to keep piling on. Frankly, I don't mind, as it gives me a legitimate excuse to take a month off during the year as and when I so see fit...as I did this year. Will do so again next. If they can pay our KA brethren, they can pay us. If not, then I simply look at it as another months holiday sometime in the coming year. Don't stress, just get even.
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Couldn't agree more with the above comment. This management has no respect or value towards it's aircrew, and they seem to have a perverse desire to keep piling on. Frankly, I don't mind, as it gives me a legitimate excuse to take a month off during the year as and when I so see fit...as I did this year. Will do so again next. If they can pay our KA brethren, they can pay us. If not, then I simply look at it as another months holiday sometime in the coming year. Don't stress, just get even.
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lessonlearnt,
Of course we’d vote yes for housing? Or do you expect CX Captains to sacrifice housing to compensate all you dumb f**cks who signed up on HKPA and now have serious buyers remorse.
We do agree that the writing was on the wall for 13th month and everything else that’s transpired since when we didn’t get paid, and the response was a Yammer post.
The strategy for the older generation is to try to accumulate as much as possible so you can stop working, and for the younger generation it’s to leave.
Sorry we we get paid more, have more and will retire in much better shape than you. Chalk it up to being a bit older and getting in at a better time. But please remember nobody put a gun to your head to accept your sub-par conditions. You likely weren’t employable anywhere else, that’s the facts. But you are now so act accordingly.
Of course we’d vote yes for housing? Or do you expect CX Captains to sacrifice housing to compensate all you dumb f**cks who signed up on HKPA and now have serious buyers remorse.
We do agree that the writing was on the wall for 13th month and everything else that’s transpired since when we didn’t get paid, and the response was a Yammer post.
The strategy for the older generation is to try to accumulate as much as possible so you can stop working, and for the younger generation it’s to leave.
Sorry we we get paid more, have more and will retire in much better shape than you. Chalk it up to being a bit older and getting in at a better time. But please remember nobody put a gun to your head to accept your sub-par conditions. You likely weren’t employable anywhere else, that’s the facts. But you are now so act accordingly.