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CAE now recruiting for cx

Old 22nd Jun 2018, 22:45
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Originally Posted by raven11 View Post
Imagine, the first time a passenger finds him/herself upside down in one of these “self flying” airplanes, it will also be the “pilot’s” first time.
Not a problem.... just disengage, push, thrust, stabilize, roll or whatever that procedure they thought they needed to teach me is.
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Old 22nd Jun 2018, 23:10
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Rhino driver - Indeed!
I find it incredulous that a hammer approach to teaching people how to fly out of an unexpected position, that they probably wouldn't have gotten themselves into if they were initially taught well, is now being mandated.
In a previous life, it seemed I spent half the time upside down, or at max angle of attack, as the norm.
Strangely, I've found that both model A and model B both respond quite nicely to "flying the aircraft" back to our normal boring straight and level status quo. So rather than fix the problem, i.e. Teaching people how to maneuver the a/c at its limits, the bean counters have Scrooged it up, to apply a save-all band-aid fix.
Yeah I'm sure shouting out "Attitude roll pitch power " or whatever counter-intuitive bs they are currently spouting is going to save the day when El Capitano leaves spikey haired earring wearing millenials at the controls going through the itcz when one of the un-noticed red/purple cells bites young spikey in the @ss.
For the love of (insert deity here), can we not just teach these people how to actually " fly"?
FFS!
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Old 22nd Jun 2018, 23:18
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Originally Posted by Foxdeux View Post
Personally I don't think there's anything to worry about since airplanes practically fly themselves anyways.
Yeah. Just ask the passengers of Air Asia 8501.
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Old 23rd Jun 2018, 00:00
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Originally Posted by mngmt mole View Post
In the meantime, enjoy the spectacle of CX losing all it's experienced and qualified crew.
Unfortunately that's exactly what Swire wants, experience is expensive! They're absolute pumped when senior ranking crew leave in all ranks because they are replaced by year 1 pay scales. Another winning formula of our pay structure.

The longer you stay the worse it gets and it's designed that way.
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Old 23rd Jun 2018, 02:15
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can we not just teach these people how to actually " fly"?

Originally Posted by LongTimeInCX View Post
Rhino driver - Indeed!
I find it incredulous that a hammer approach to teaching people how to fly out of an unexpected position, that they probably wouldn't have gotten themselves into if they were initially taught well, is now being mandated.
In a previous life, it seemed I spent half the time upside down, or at max angle of attack, as the norm.
Strangely, I've found that both model A and model B both respond quite nicely to "flying the aircraft" back to our normal boring straight and level status quo. So rather than fix the problem, i.e. Teaching people how to maneuver the a/c at its limits, the bean counters have Scrooged it up, to apply a save-all band-aid fix.
Yeah I'm sure shouting out "Attitude roll pitch power " or whatever counter-intuitive bs they are currently spouting is going to save the day when El Capitano leaves spikey haired earring wearing millenials at the controls going through the itcz when one of the un-noticed red/purple cells bites young spikey in the @ss.
For the love of (insert deity here), can we not just teach these people how to actually " fly"?
FFS!
Sadly, no. Cost is too much relative MASSIVE fuel hedging losses. Then, when this fuel hedging loss is mitigated, a geek and his spread sheet along with a nodding DFO and GMF will find another reason to justify the dumbing down process (company wide every dept. btw)..
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Old 23rd Jun 2018, 04:56
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I am sure the unforecast, unprecedented and totally out of our control US/PRC trade war will be the headliner at the interim results announcement in early August! There will always be something to blame.....
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Old 23rd Jun 2018, 08:46
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Unfortunately all those nice layers of safety which used to be incorporated into the operation ( maturity, experience, talent, training and confidence) have been slowly eroded away. Now, scratch the surface of a new joiners’ competence and a shocking level of unsuitability may often be exposed.
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Old 23rd Jun 2018, 09:28
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Strange... I well remember A Scalers saying exactly the same about the first B Scalers to arrive...
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Old 24th Jun 2018, 20:47
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Originally Posted by raven11 View Post
Airplanes that fly themselves...

Ha ha, yes, that’s what management (outside the USA) are deluding themselves with....while secretly hoping a real pilot is onboard when things go pear-shaped.

Imagine, the first time a passenger finds him/herself upside down in one of these “self flying” airplanes, it will also be the “pilot’s” first time.
Button pusher with the occasional drastic need to safe lives.
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Old 25th Jun 2018, 01:10
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Scratch the Surface

Originally Posted by kenfoggo View Post
Unfortunately all those nice layers of safety which used to be incorporated into the operation ( maturity, experience, talent, training and confidence) have been slowly eroded away. Now, scratch the surface of a new joiners’ competence and a shocking level of unsuitability may often be exposed.
Expand your thought process in this subject to other areas which, historically, required highly experienced and "qualified" persons. DFO? Director Engineering? GM Engineering? DirectorPeople?" GMF?
Shocking unsuitability is a shockingly understated opinion..
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Old 25th Jun 2018, 01:34
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Not a problem.... just disengage, push, thrust, stabilize, roll or whatever that procedure they thought they needed to teach me is.
Don't worry the 1R puts all that to bed finally........
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Old 25th Jun 2018, 09:27
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Originally Posted by Kitsune View Post
Strange... I well remember A Scalers saying exactly the same about the first B Scalers to arrive...
My recollection is a little different. Sure, there was bitching, but not experience levels - I flew with many in the Air Force.
Sorry if that doesn’t fit your eye rolling agenda...
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Old 25th Jun 2018, 12:37
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Originally Posted by Foxdeux View Post
Button pusher with the occasional drastic need to safe lives.
What does that mean Foxdeaux? Outside the USA, commercial pilot new hire experience levels have reached rock bottom? They can’t get any lower, by which I mean...they cannot get any lower given that the new hires are zero time NON-pilots. These new hires then undergo basic training and am amas 100-150 hours of very basic flying before occupying the right seat of a passenger laden commercial jet. A practice that was previously tried by US carriers before being rightly banned by the FAA.

Airlines like Qantus being the exception.
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Old 25th Jun 2018, 20:06
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Originally Posted by spleener View Post

My recollection is a little different. Sure, there was bitching, but not experience levels - I flew with many in the Air Force.
Sorry if that doesn’t fit your eye rolling agenda...
Unfortunately for you, I retired with my A Scale P Fund many years ago... I have no dog in this fight. Having said that I (once again) well remember a lauded Airforce pilot smashing the aircraft into the ground so hard they came back from base training with the gear down...
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Old 25th Jun 2018, 23:06
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Originally Posted by Kitsune View Post

Unfortunately for you, I retired with my A Scale P Fund many years ago... I have no dog in this fight. Having said that I (once again) well remember a lauded Airforce pilot smashing the aircraft into the ground so hard they came back from base training with the gear down...
Why unfortunate?
But yeah, good and not so good airforce/ civilian. I’ve no axe to grind, but I do have skin in the game.
Enjoy your retirement.

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