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enoughisenough_ 20th Jun 2018 09:48

CAE now recruiting for cx
 

illtellyouhowitis 20th Jun 2018 10:22

Still racing to the bottom.........

gulliBell 20th Jun 2018 10:27

Good grief! That's interesting, who would have thought?

Flex88 20th Jun 2018 12:23

Sad decline at CAE as well as CX
 

Originally Posted by enoughisenough_ (Post 10177263)

Looked at the ad, seems somehow Lantau Island has magically moved to the UK.. But then CAE is a French Canadian company, likely subsidised by the Canadian government (like every other Quebec industry) so you have to lower your expectations. Way low...

#MCXGA

jetjockey696 20th Jun 2018 16:06

Comes with a little uTube video.. just in case you need to know about second Officers in CX. LOL Wont be long CAE CX looking for First Officers..

anxiao 20th Jun 2018 17:13

Well, when your pilot recruitment team resign because of the horse manure of instructions they get from management on a daily basis, I guess you have to outsource to a well known agency.

When I was employed by CX way back, I was asked to go to Swire London to meet a couple of directors. Now you get Parc to handle your application. Another example of how CX has become a JAFAA.

Sad

Sand Man 20th Jun 2018 20:49

Excellent career progression prospects (everything comes to those how waits. how long is a piece of string?)
If you are successful, you would enjoy the following benefits, and many more:
- Excellent salary (that will never increase with inflation)
- Monthly allowance (to live in the standard you would be expect a professional to enjoy)
- Travel benefits (to and from Taipei)
- Insurance benefits (with doctors of our choosing)

I guess everything is relative so if you compare the above with certain other airlines it probably is correct

rhoshamboe 21st Jun 2018 00:11

I bet the commission paid to PARC per recruit would just about cover running the entire in house recruitment department for a month...
Pay more for less That's got to be TTW!
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Flex88 21st Jun 2018 03:11

​​​​​​​Commission ??
 

Originally Posted by rhoshamboe (Post 10177835)
I bet the commission paid to PARC per recruit would just about cover running the entire in house recruitment department for a month...
Pay more for less That's got to be TTW!
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Next move "Signing Bonuses" for those who have not been employed for the past 3 years, have no flight experience or interest in aviation.. CAE can go and troll the streets of SFO for applicants..

oldgrunt 21st Jun 2018 04:44

Recruiting for Asiana Airlines as well....

A3301FD 21st Jun 2018 08:26

If you are successful, you would enjoy the following benefits, and many more:
  • Excellent salary
  • Monthly allowance
  • Travel benefits
  • Insurance benefits

Does not mention Housing...

Flex88 21st Jun 2018 10:34

The Truth
 

Originally Posted by A3301FD (Post 10178045)
If you are successful, you would enjoy the following benefits, and many more:
  • Excellent salary
  • Monthly allowance
  • Travel benefits
  • Insurance benefits
Does not mention Housing...

The Real Meaning
  • Excellent salary ( no COL raise ever)
  • Monthly allowance (at company discretion)
  • Travel benefits - worst in the world AND (at company discretion)
  • Insurance benefits (at company discretion and decreasing year on year)
  • Housing (most expensive housing in the world) ???????????
  • No mention of schooling for children ??????????

Ghost_Rider737 21st Jun 2018 16:42

  • Obtained passes in all ATPL exams with a minimum of 250 flight hours.
Is this a job for a C208 Copilot ??? Or a kind of CADET program?
CX are scraping the ABSOLUTE bottom of the experience pit

Table For 1 21st Jun 2018 17:57

Why would Swire care....?
 
If Swire are planning on quitting aviation soon to concentrate on fizzy drinks why would they care who they left flying the CX fleet.......I mean if it crashes after DP and AT have left the building it's not their fault is it?

Flex88 22nd Jun 2018 08:08

Reality Check
 

Originally Posted by Ghost_Rider737 (Post 10178486)
  • Obtained passes in all ATPL exams with a minimum of 250 flight hours.
Is this a job for a C208 Copilot ??? Or a kind of CADET program?
CX are scraping the ABSOLUTE bottom of the experience pit

All over Asia they are placing crew members with those qualifications in every aircraft they operate. Just where do you think they are getting their crew from?
That includes CX (as SO's) however they will do nothing for 5 - 6 years then move to FO. CX sister airline has received (as many others have) MPL qualified crew and shove them directly into the RHS of an A330 or A320 and these young folks can have slightly over 100 hours TOTAL with NO solo time necessarily required.
Chew on that for a while ! This is what corporate geeks do - low cost at any cost.
These rules are from our "all inclusive everybody's the same" friends in the EU.

BTW. China, all by itself, needs 100k pilots over the next 20 years. Do you think they'll all be highly qualified experienced pro's ??

mngmt mole 22nd Jun 2018 11:39

Flex, in the USA, they are NOT doing that. You have highlighted the big problem with working for CX: they can hire from anywhere, at whatever standard, for whatever pay. They will ALWAYS be able to undermine your pay and conditions if the management of the day is willing to scrape the barrel. That is all you need to focus on. If you don't want a career that is constantly subject to that threat, then endeavor to establish a career with a first world airline. There really is no other choice. In the meantime, enjoy the spectacle of CX losing all it's experienced and qualified crew. The day will come when CX is JAFAA (and it is almost to that point already).

Farman Biplane 22nd Jun 2018 12:02

So this is the introduction of COS18?

jetjockey696 22nd Jun 2018 13:09

Not only CAE is advertising for CX, now Direct Personnel Int. is after second officers too. but with a very cute second officer.
CX offering new pay scale.. better for the company in cost cutting measures. besides they only Second officer :}

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.gmf...d1666fa176.png

Foxdeux 22nd Jun 2018 13:23


Originally Posted by Flex88 (Post 10179007)
All over Asia they are placing crew members with those qualifications in every aircraft they operate. Just where do you think they are getting their crew from?
That includes CX (as SO's) however they will do nothing for 5 - 6 years then move to FO. CX sister airline has received (as many others have) MPL qualified crew and shove them directly into the RHS of an A330 or A320 and these young folks can have slightly over 100 hours TOTAL with NO solo time necessarily required.
Chew on that for a while ! This is what corporate geeks do - low cost at any cost.
These rules are from our "all inclusive everybody's the same" friends in the EU.

BTW. China, all by itself, needs 100k pilots over the next 20 years. Do you think they'll all be highly qualified experienced pro's ??

Correct, demand is outstripping "quality" supply, so airlines are lowering their standards. CX is not the only one guilty of this, in fact I would even say they are late to the game. Personally I don't think there's anything to worry about since airplanes practically fly themselves anyways.

raven11 22nd Jun 2018 22:05

Airplanes that fly themselves...

Ha ha, yes, that’s what management (outside the USA) are deluding themselves with....while secretly hoping a real pilot is onboard when things go pear-shaped.

Imagine, the first time a passenger finds him/herself upside down in one of these “self flying” airplanes, it will also be the “pilot’s” first time.


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