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Is the grass really greener? Perspectives from an escapee.

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Is the grass really greener? Perspectives from an escapee.

Old 15th May 2019, 10:10
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Join Date: Oct 2016
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Re: P2X

Take this for what itís worth from an anonymous person on the internet who has been there.

Once you have 1000hrs+ as a (preferably) type rated FO nobody, and I do mean nobody these days, cares about the rest of your logbook and how it is made up. At that 1000hr FO point your P2X hours then could well be F18 hours as far as airline recruiters are concerned. Until you get to that point your P2X hours are worth very little unless your airline of choice is absolutely desperate and it really just puts you in the same pool as the low houred non-TR guy. I know of one guy who joined a UK major on a big jet on the back of P2X only and the old Head of Training at said airline has since confirmed they wont entertain that idea again and he basically ended up doing a full rating on something else.

If youíre 21 and fancy HK for a few years I still maintain itís a great start to your career. It is a lot of fun at the start. The second you start thinking of settling down, bang out immediately. CX is an utterly toxic place to work and it canít be done on what they currently offer.

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Old 28th Jun 2019, 04:37
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Join Date: Jul 2007
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Leaving sucks

I had a pretty great gig with CX. I was based in America. My schedule was reasonable. I flew with pretty cool people. My paycheck was nice. What I didnít have was confidence in my future. Things at CX weíre on a pretty steep slide and I decided it was prudent to jump off. I took a huge pay cut to join Fedex. That being said I believe Iíll make up that cut in three years. Also, Iíll be flying for an American carrier with proper work rules. Imagine that! Iíve been gone five months now and Iíve never regretted my decision to leave cx one second. My only regret is that I didnít escape sooner.

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Old 1st May 2020, 06:47
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Thanks for posting. I guess things have changed a lot since most of these posts, given the unprecedented toll Covid-19 and it's global travel/lockdown/quarantine effects are having on the world's airlines. Some of those who have gone from being relatively senior in one airline, to move on to greener pastures and start at the bottom of 'the list' again, will now be out of work. Very sad times indeed.
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Old 10th Sep 2020, 05:29
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Maybe time to un-stick this thread.
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Old 11th Sep 2020, 06:45
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pretty sure everyone who left for that tasty green grass is unemployed.
Unstick the thread +1
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Old 18th Sep 2020, 02:50
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Not true

I left CX after 15 years am at SWA and am not getting furloughed. Not a chance. If I were at CX things would be looking pretty bleak. Thank God I left CX and Hong Kong.
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Old 18th Sep 2020, 03:41
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Right! Good for you, and thank you for setting the record straight. I’m don’t think a single major airline pilot in the US has yet to be furloughed. AA is only the only one potentially furloughing pilots next month...
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Old 19th Sep 2020, 01:38
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Un-stick un-stick un-stick

UN-STICK.........
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Old 19th Sep 2020, 18:10
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Yeah unstick...

All you CX lovers are going to be unemployed soon enough. Unstick since there will be no more CX.
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Old 20th Sep 2020, 01:30
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Seems like you left with an axe to grind..

I don't have any emotional attachment to my employer, just a job really.Happy to hear you found a better place, no hard feelings or envy. I actually would like to leave as well.

Maybe ask yourself though why you are so much happier? My impression is that the most prominent reason to leave is simply the desire to live at home or the threat of having to move to Hong Kong for a command. Imagine CX would offer the same conditions ( money and tax of HK, patterns of a local airline, etc) plus a base in your home town. Would it be such a bad place to work for?

My impression is you project your frustration on CX. The safety argument is not for real, the training and checking is bearable, the working times and long haul crew compositions are overall above average.

It all boils down to living in Hong Kong and working with colleagues from a different cultural background. It is hard for a guy like Cxorcist to sit 10 hours next to a Chinese or European who don't share nor respect his political views, don't care about his military career etc, and I don't mean to ridicule that. Social acceptance and company with people of your own tribe is an innate desire for all of us. Living as an expat can be terrible, no doubt.It is no fun to work and live with people who regard you as a primitive redneck, neither is the prospect of flying with what one regards as "marxist snowflakes".

But none of these problems are the responsibility of CX. It is not their fault they are based in HK, of course employ people from all parts of the world, face political problems, pollution,real estate craziness, uncertainty, riots etc.

I think it would be helpful for to identify and finally acknowledge the prominent factor of Hong Kong in that game, it could help you to find peace.

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Old 20th Sep 2020, 01:53
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Originally Posted by RusCo View Post
I have written in MY previous posts that I have already applied to FedEx, UPS, Delta and United, (just added US Airways to the list). I have also taken the kids out of school in Hong Kong., they will be starting school in january at home. My 750,000 dollar shoe box is for sale. So, yes, I am doing something about it.

As far as the seniority trap...there is no seniority at cx, what there are are golden handcuffs. But what few fail to realize is yes one makes a good amount of money, 10 year SFO, plus housing plus schooling and that all adds up to more than any Captain at the above airlines, HOWEVER...Hong Kong, as you all know, is extremely expensive so any money made is spent.

So yes...I am leaving. I have no bad feelings for CX, I enjoy flying the routes, I enjoy flying with the great guys and gals..I just can no longer take living in Hong Kong.

If only the bases had opened, but waiting 3 plus years for a so called announcement is enough. I am not getting any younger...and the carrot is not getting any closer...
Seems like RusCo didn't have the attitude to move on back then. Thankfully Southwest took him onboard and sent him home. Go away troll. Your life in HK is long gone so probably for the best to stop grinding your axe.
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Old 20th Sep 2020, 02:49
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Never ceases to amaze me how a person can justify how grand it is to be a slave to such a company because they fly a widebody for a company in a once exotic, now ordinary, city in the Far East.

Ironically itís been mostly the Americans who have left the British (Chinese) company in pursuit of a better life instead of staying in hopes of false promises and ever declining conditions promised by the managers playing musical chairs.

At least we will die on our feet instead of live on our knees.
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Old 20th Sep 2020, 05:52
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Lot of (bragging) words.
Could have just said:
ĒIím allright Jack. And I donít care what happens with the aviation industry after Iím goneĒ.
By the way: FULL schooling? Or just 75%?
Details are important, especially when youíre talking about HKD200,000 school bills.
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Old 18th Oct 2020, 12:39
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Leaving HK had nothing to do with the Airline, the people I flew with, any yearning to fly with my own "tribe" etc etc. It was plain and simple for me, HK is a polluted craphole and I wasn't willing to poison my family (and myself) for a few extra bucks. That's not my opinion, it's fact that you are living in one of the most polluted cities in the world for a few extra bucks. Then of course there's the population density, the tiny flats, the expenses etc etc, but that is just my opinion, some might like living in each others pockets
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Old 25th Oct 2020, 14:51
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Sucks to be at CX, eh?

Cos 20 was bound to happen the vid just accelerated it.

Been gone 6 years and don't mis a thing about it. The grass IS greener, no doubt.

Later to all you conformists. Good luck surviving on that pay.

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Old 28th Oct 2020, 23:04
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Very sorry to hear what’s going on over there. It’s a sad state of affairs indeed for the industry. I wish everyone well and especially those who have dedicated and sacrificed so many years for CX. I have some great memories of Hong Kong and many mis-adventures during my time there
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Old 1st Nov 2020, 19:58
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Looking back to those years in CX I am now confident to say that these were by far the worst in my career. Words cannot describe the pain and desperation the prince of darkness and his bunch of terrible people have done to my wife and myself. It took me many years to recover from the climate of fear that was prevalent in this airline. Some trainers used their head start of having done the type rating a few years before to intimidate me to compensate for their inferiority complex instead of training to confidence. I quite liked Hong Kong and its people but I despise this kind of company culture. If justice had been done, those responsible would be in jail.

I have done the right move at the right time, now flying through COVID uninterrupted and at full salary. If I stay healthy, I will retire from my last landing reaching the age limit without a single day of unemployment.

To the protagonists and to the people who kept their mouth shut: I was down, but I was not out.
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