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Is the grass really greener? Perspectives from an escapee.

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Is the grass really greener? Perspectives from an escapee.

Old 6th May 2019, 01:35
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a334 Be careful with the regs when you talk about Cruise Relief time. Relief pilots at AC are fully type rated - P1, not the make believe P2X that Cathay uses. The fact that other Airlines understand what a CX SO does helps with the interview but will not give you hours for your licence.

Unless you are Passport blocked or otherwise unemployable, Cathay on COS18 is a mistake.
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Old 6th May 2019, 04:01
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Join Date: Apr 2016
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Relief pilots at AC get an unrestricted rating, but they do not have the same P1/P2/P2X system as they do in Hong Kong. Their ratings used to be cruise restricted, until pilots started worrying about their employability during an economic downturn. Cruise relief time is still cruise relief time, and they are logged as "co-pilot" without credit for takeoffs and landings. The Hong Kong P2X is a restricted rating for the cruise, which is essentially what their RPs used to have.
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Old 6th May 2019, 08:02
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Originally Posted by a334 View Post
I did find some info regarding cruise relief time in Canada, and based on what the advisory circular states, cruise relief time counts in full, however the way it's explained seems a little murky. I wanted to ask here for those who have direct experience in logging P2X time. I will see if I can find someone at the regulations office who can maybe give me an answer, but at the same time what the regulators say may not matter to an airline all that much so I would have to see if I could find a way to talk directly to someone at a major airline

Anyways thank you as well for your help
I suggest you contact regulators via email, you want a written response to support how you log your time in case it is ever questioned. You don't know where you might end up. Different regulators have different ideas. When I came to CX I had to have a little from my home country as to why I needed an ATPL for the flying I had been doing so that the dick heads at HKG CAD would accept my command time.
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Old 15th May 2019, 10:10
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Join Date: Oct 2016
Location: UK
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Re: P2X

Take this for what itís worth from an anonymous person on the internet who has been there.

Once you have 1000hrs+ as a (preferably) type rated FO nobody, and I do mean nobody these days, cares about the rest of your logbook and how it is made up. At that 1000hr FO point your P2X hours then could well be F18 hours as far as airline recruiters are concerned. Until you get to that point your P2X hours are worth very little unless your airline of choice is absolutely desperate and it really just puts you in the same pool as the low houred non-TR guy. I know of one guy who joined a UK major on a big jet on the back of P2X only and the old Head of Training at said airline has since confirmed they wont entertain that idea again and he basically ended up doing a full rating on something else.

If youíre 21 and fancy HK for a few years I still maintain itís a great start to your career. It is a lot of fun at the start. The second you start thinking of settling down, bang out immediately. CX is an utterly toxic place to work and it canít be done on what they currently offer.

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Old 28th Jun 2019, 04:37
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Leaving sucks

I had a pretty great gig with CX. I was based in America. My schedule was reasonable. I flew with pretty cool people. My paycheck was nice. What I didnít have was confidence in my future. Things at CX weíre on a pretty steep slide and I decided it was prudent to jump off. I took a huge pay cut to join Fedex. That being said I believe Iíll make up that cut in three years. Also, Iíll be flying for an American carrier with proper work rules. Imagine that! Iíve been gone five months now and Iíve never regretted my decision to leave cx one second. My only regret is that I didnít escape sooner.

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Old 1st May 2020, 06:47
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Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Hong Kong
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Thanks for posting. I guess things have changed a lot since most of these posts, given the unprecedented toll Covid-19 and it's global travel/lockdown/quarantine effects are having on the world's airlines. Some of those who have gone from being relatively senior in one airline, to move on to greener pastures and start at the bottom of 'the list' again, will now be out of work. Very sad times indeed.
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