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Basic CC is a stretch for most guys, and considering most guys are on the Pax fleets that’s pretty depressing. If we threw out every AOA member who reported at the delayed reporting time there would be around 60 gone from flying with me since CC started alone. Add in throwing out everyone who does the CRM courses, volunteers for sims etc and you’d be down to 40% membership which is where we were in 2002 unless I’m mistaken. Volunteering for some things is ok but other things isn’t. How does that work?
I don’t have an answer, throw a bunch of people out of the AOA and they’ll start answering their phone and working G days. Not all but some, and that erodes CC.
I don’t have an answer, throw a bunch of people out of the AOA and they’ll start answering their phone and working G days. Not all but some, and that erodes CC.
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Morning Coffee. Once again, you arrive at your cubicle in CX city, warm up your computer and attempt to divide the pilot group. Have you got NOTHING better to do with your life (serious question btw). CC, combined with the training ban has had a massive impact on the company. Two of the reasons this company is in a blind panic. Most members of the AOA recognise that this is a battle they can't afford to lose, and are committed to the end.
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Expulsion from a union is a huge problem if you end up leaving and going to a unionised airline. You would not be accepted and unlike CX most unionised airlines have rock solid pilot support.
The AOA's policy is deliberately vague, shows absolutely no grit or resolve.
It is up to each pilot to decide and act.
The AOA's policy is deliberately vague, shows absolutely no grit or resolve.
It is up to each pilot to decide and act.
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What I am saying is that there are plenty of guys sticking to CC most of the time but if it was a 1 hit deal, ie check roster, turn up at delayed time, answer phone etc, and you’re booted out, the union would get a substantial reduction in numbers.
Checklistcompete, guys quit the union when the subs went up to support the 49ers and then rejoined years later like nothing had happened. I’ll call BS on your comment. Guys joined while the ban was on and are now skippers and welcomed with open arms by the AOA.
Current CC is hard work for plenty of members.
Checklistcompete, guys quit the union when the subs went up to support the 49ers and then rejoined years later like nothing had happened. I’ll call BS on your comment. Guys joined while the ban was on and are now skippers and welcomed with open arms by the AOA.
Current CC is hard work for plenty of members.
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Not as 'hard work' as a career working under the oppressive dictates of the Swire's. You know, that group of 'managers' who look only 2-3 years ahead with their focus firmly on their own bonuses (as is the case with you MC). I think most pilots in this airline are willing to hold the line on CC and the TB, while at the same time actively applying and interviewing for their next employer where they can live at home and enjoy flying again. When an individual finally realises there is more to life than money, they are then ready to make that move. Needless to say, there is nothing about CX anymore that says 'money' when it comes to their terms and conditions. Ergo, most are making imminent plans to move. Enjoy 'managing' your empty empire. Swires, 'defectum'. (check your latin)
