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CX - the latest pay to play airline

Old 14th Dec 2017, 03:30
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CX - the latest pay to play airline

According to management, cadets and direct entry second officers will no be required to pay for training after the first of the year. Shinny jet syndrome strikes asia.
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Old 14th Dec 2017, 03:44
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Old 14th Dec 2017, 03:55
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When your selection criteria include the ability to pay (self selected) you get a lower standard of pilot than if you select according to ability and thus select the best.
Obvious I know, but the obvious doesn't seem to relevant here.
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Old 14th Dec 2017, 03:55
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It might just be GL on his meds again.
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Old 14th Dec 2017, 03:59
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95 courses in Adelaide cancelled due to not enough suitable candidates. I guess if we've got to hire the rejects from every other airline, we might as well make them pay for it.

What has become this once great airline?
Truly pathetic!
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Old 14th Dec 2017, 04:54
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95 courses? Thats a hell of lot of courses! How many cadets per course do the normally do? Pay to join Cathay. The wheels are really falling off the industry.
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Old 14th Dec 2017, 05:09
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Meanwhile the competition actively targets current CX SO's.

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Old 14th Dec 2017, 08:19
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Devils advocate here..
Which airlines still pay for an initio training?
Ba doesnt, Klm doesn't, none of the American carriers do..
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Old 14th Dec 2017, 08:44
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What kind of sum are we talking here?
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Old 14th Dec 2017, 08:48
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Well currently CX quote a training cost from 0 hours to completion at FTA as $1.1 million HKD, obviously includes accommodation
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Old 14th Dec 2017, 08:57
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Interesting that the response to lack of applicants is to charge. Hardly seems an incentive...

Is this confirmed?
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Old 14th Dec 2017, 09:02
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Would the last one to leave please turn the lights out.....
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Old 14th Dec 2017, 09:34
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SQ has a sponsored cadet course.With paid in-training allowance.
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Old 14th Dec 2017, 09:41
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I would be very surprised if cadets are not applying for the free training deal. If there are training slots cancelled in Australia, it would most likely have concerned direct entry individuals because the SO deal is just not good enough, and DEFO was not on offer for the longest of time for most of them. About cadets paying for their training, well, without keeping it completely seperate from ability that inevitably ends in a quality reduction of your staff.

I donít have anything against an individual contributing to their own basic training, if anything it will stop the ďOh I didnít think to become a pilot until about two years ago and saw it was a good dealĒ type of individual from applying. As long as your financial situation doesnít affect your ability to be eligible and a good financing deal is available I think itís only a good thing if one has skin in the game.
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Old 14th Dec 2017, 09:58
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Sad to see the latest manifestation of a once great airline now unmistakenly mired in its death throes.

Don’t delay the pursuance of an appropriate exit strategy any longer than is necessary, the writing is on the wall.
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Old 14th Dec 2017, 10:05
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I think the complete inability of our management to appropriately address the FACTS regarding their abysmal treatment of their pilots (especially RH's comments, which proved to me that nothing will change without all out war) demonstrates that all they are trying to do is keep us 'subdued' until after CNY. Then they will undoubtedly attack us with both barrels blazing. So, if you have the chance of a proper career elsewhere, I suggest you make the most of that. In the meantime, let's cause them as much misery as they've caused us. At this point we have NOTHING left to lose. If the operation isn't affected, then kiss any chance of even a semblance of a 'career' goodbye. I'm doing my part, what about the rest of my colleagues?
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Old 14th Dec 2017, 18:28
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Originally Posted by Oasis View Post
Devils advocate here..
Which airlines still pay for an initio training?
Ba doesnt, Klm doesn't, none of the American carriers do..
Exactly my thought, CX is just regressing to the mean. If I were a Mckinsey Consultant the initio training would be an eye sore for the bottom line. It's just like the 9 abreast seating on the 777, nobody in their right might mind should keep it. It doesn't help that the airline industry is so cut throat with slim margins and state owned airlines from the ME slaughtering non-subsidized airlines. CX WAS a premium airline but due to poor management decisions they're now just another airline and the Pilot's are paying for it.
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Old 20th Dec 2017, 07:01
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I hope they realise that with 2 s/oís per flight there will be zero demand for f/oís in the future....better get used to the view from the back seat!
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Old 20th Dec 2017, 09:32
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Or get used to snowy walk arounds in New York.
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