Prisoners dilemma or tragedy of the commons

[Farman Biplane]

Which is more appealing?

Accept CX imposed cuts and have just your own family and personal life impacted?

Or,

Resist, shut down CX flying operations and have the whole company of circa 20000 worldwide suffer with your family as well?

Decisions, decisions, ethics and morals.....please discuss

[bogie30]

I like the point you are making Farman. The flight crew are indeed that crucial to the future of the company and so their contracts and lifestyles should not be unilaterally and illegally curtailed, for the sake of 20,000 worldwide employees!

[Liam Gallagher]

Fairman,

I think the person who needs to address that question is not the good folk of ppruneland, but the person responsible for Cathay..... Rupert Hogg. Why don't you ask him and let us know what he says.....

[Shutterbug]

Walk up and down the street at CX and see how many cabin crew or office workers even bother to smile or say hello.

In all fairness, it's also a cultural issue. In what travel brochure were Hongkongers described as "vivacious, jovial, warm-hearted, gregarious, bouyant, cordial...."

It's just Asia.

As to the question at hand, I think most guys aren't prepared to risk being 49ered. They're quietly taking interviews and making plans to pack it all in. I do expect to see a larger than statistically average number of pilots leaving over the next 3-6 months.

Across the the street last week no fewer than 6 CX pilots taking interviews on one day. 2 captains and 4 FOs. Quite surprised. Had looks on their faces like they were caught cheating on their wives. Had a good laugh actually. I'm sure a lot more guys are making private arrangements.

People are leaving. It's not talk. I'd say the guys who think the pilot body is a cohesive unified group that is capable of acting as one team are the optimists. CX rigged the game years ago. The divide and conquer has been working for them, and will continue to do so. Sorry, but I haven't seen any evidence to the contrary.

On the plus side, more than plenty of opportunities out there. Shouldn't be a hard choice.

Good luck to all. Consider your personal circumstances. Crunch the numbers for your family and weigh your options carefully.

[Trafalgar]

It amazes me the effect the 49er issue still has, almost 17 years after the fact. HK law has changed. They can't just fire you 'because' they feel like it. If you are unfit (flu, cold, blocked sinus, fatigue) then simply book off and let them know the reason. That is the end of that discussion. A further point is this: if you really do think you are working for an employer that would fire you at the drop of a hat, then why on earth would you risk your entire career working under the blade of a guillotine ? Ultimately it doesn't matter. Most pilots in the mid 80 percentile seniority range are making plans to leave. My FO from yesterdays flight already had his offer, just waiting for a course date. He told me there were a further 11 CX FO's also in the pipeline at the same employer. And that was just the one's he was told about at the interview. His biggest concern was that he got on the seniority list ahead of his other CX colleagues .

[checklistcomplete]

Hugo,

Where have you been ? It isn't just on The Street at CX City. When was the last time you saw the CA's smile full-stop. On the bus to the aircraft they are all engrossed in their phones too timid to make any eye contact or conversation at all. In the aircraft they are all scared stupid of being reported on by a junior and on the way home they are always too tired or stuffing their faces with C class starters.
As for the office staff. Would you like their job ?

[Soul planet]

[Natca]

Yeah and undercut the rest of the industry, lower or standards, and leave this place worse off for the next guy? Yeah right - your generation of weaklings are the reason were are here now... burn this place down before they ever belittle our industry and way of life