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Anna's Friday Liar. 13/10/17

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Anna's Friday Liar. 13/10/17

Old 20th Oct 2017, 16:17
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Saturday 21st 00.05. Quite astonishing constant drivel issued at this time with assurances of need to and promises of communications with the employees......but not just yet. We just need to keep you on edge until next week ....maybe. Because apparently the changes in Cathay are HUGE and Time to Win is much, much bigger than anyone, anyone at all realises.

So quick question: It is now almost 10 months since this Time to Win crap was announced and apart from the poor 800+ souls who actually lost their jobs and liveliehoods, has anyone noticed a single change let alone a HUGE change? Not talking about pending changes, only examples that have been actioned. Nope? didn't think so.

I have worked for many airlines who always promised "Jam tomorrow" but this is the only one that has the audacity to promise "Sh*t tomorrow" and with a grinning idiot delivering it.
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Old 20th Oct 2017, 21:18
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Originally Posted by Dead Serious View Post
How convenient !
When do they return ? 1st January 2018 and all as TC's ?
Clearly you have no clue about the make up of the GC.
Perhaps I should just have left this as - 'Clearly you have no clue!'

Regarding your banal drivel about this, plus 3 yr KA commands, if you're waiting for someone to bite, then you have me.

You obviously don't work for either of the group airlines, so why don't you annoy the pilots over at Ryanair, or write MOL an equally daft comment on how he is going with his pilots.

In short, go away and play with the other children while we play with ours.
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Old 21st Oct 2017, 01:26
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StarBear

"So quick question: It is now almost 10 months since this Time to Win crap was announced and apart from the poor 800+ souls who actually lost their jobs and liveliehoods, has anyone noticed a single change let alone a HUGE change?

Are you kidding? One of the items re the Food Court survey was Ques were too long; fire 800 employees - problem fixed + more seating available. More room on HAS bus to main terminal at lunch....
It's a win win from "Time to WIN"...
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Old 21st Oct 2017, 01:42
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Time to Win

Just noticed another "small" change re the People Dept and, one can only think, Time to Win strategy.
One used to see (following the sacking of 800 minions), "Management Appointment" (i.e. replace those we sacked with boot lickers).

Now (check Intra CX main page), to be a little low key good ol Tom says "Leadership Appointment" Does that not make you feel soooo much better..
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Old 21st Oct 2017, 05:51
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Originally Posted by Flex88 View Post

Are you kidding? One of the items re the Food Court survey was Ques were too long; fire 800 employees - problem fixed + more seating available. More room on HAS bus to main terminal at lunch....
It's a win win from "Time to WIN"...
Good point, I had assumed that was all done for the KA FOP chaps moving over.
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Old 21st Oct 2017, 07:20
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I think it is a specific problem for the US - the AF has been on a continuous war footing for 16 years now, with no end in sight, so they have to resort to the draft to keep people in. But yes, for anyone with the right to join a US carrier, this is good news.

Plus - no financial mess for the big airlines. Delta just made 1.8 billion US in 3 months - 20m USD a day, while paying salaries and profit share bonuses that are fair, and are having no problem recruiting - in fact I think the USAF move is because pilots want to jump out and onto a big airline seniority list ASAP. It will hit business jets and regional airlines
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Old 21st Oct 2017, 12:39
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Originally Posted by Curtain rod View Post
TTW: I bet the UK, Australian, Canadian, German, French, etc. air forces won't be far behind with their own versions of this type of American fix (for the military) and financial mess (for the airlines). Meanwhile, one particular company here cuts, cuts and cuts, and pisses off its pilots with the continuous erosion of working conditions with its ongoing refusal to face the music, replace who needs to be replaced, and just wake up to the urgent need to set things right and/or do the right thing:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...fin/785583001/
Yeah, read this too with some interest. It's not a stop loss or draft but an EO which changes the authorization level from 25 to I believe 1000 (don't know if that's total or annually but I suspect annually). It's unusual in that the last time I believe there was any significant real recall of retirees (other than as a movie plot) was during the Korean War. US military retirees usually have no further service commitment but are technically subject to recall until they are 60 (which in the past has never much been done).

Sure points to a supply issue with pilots and lots of opportunities for people looking. It's disconcerting that some folks here actually are using the 'concessionary' word (for anything) and even considering concessions would IMHO be insane in such a market. Really insane. Not to mention OTHER airlines are making money while paying pilots more.

So the conditions for negotiation are probably as strong as they could ever conceivably be. Yet CX is effectively cutting pay and working conditions. Other than words there doesn't seem to be a great deal of backlash to what has happened so far with the unilaterally imposed cuts given this shortage of operators.

"Do the right thing"

I guess that says it all too.
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Old 21st Oct 2017, 20:27
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Anyone who has the opportunity of a decent position back in their home country/continent, and chooses to remain here will deserve the misery that will undoubtedly come the way of them and their families. This is the best hiring environment in a generation. Only CX thinks it’s a “good time” to cut pay and benefits so that no one can live a sustainable life with their families. Go now while you have a chance of a great job and quick advancement. There is no hope left at CX. Do any of you seriously want to spend your careers dealing with management like this ? Oh, and what 747 pilot would attend this little soirée the company had put together to blow smoke up your ars*s? Tell them what you really think by NOT ATTENDING.

Originally Posted by Shep69 View Post
Yeah, read this too with some interest. It's not a stop loss or draft but an EO which changes the authorization level from 25 to I believe 1000 (don't know if that's total or annually but I suspect annually). It's unusual in that the last time I believe there was any significant real recall of retirees (other than as a movie plot) was during the Korean War. US military retirees usually have no further service commitment but are technically subject to recall until they are 60 (which in the past has never much been done).

Sure points to a supply issue with pilots and lots of opportunities for people looking. It's disconcerting that some folks here actually are using the 'concessionary' word (for anything) and even considering concessions would IMHO be insane in such a market. Really insane. Not to mention OTHER airlines are making money while paying pilots more.

So the conditions for negotiation are probably as strong as they could ever conceivably be. Yet CX is effectively cutting pay and working conditions. Other than words there doesn't seem to be a great deal of backlash to what has happened so far with the unilaterally imposed cuts given this shortage of operators.

"Do the right thing"

I guess that says it all too.
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Old 22nd Oct 2017, 02:47
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Best message that can be sent is an empty roof at their “Cargo pilot “ ( their words on the email, not mine and since redacted) soirée. It will take a damn sight more than a few G and T’s and canapés to sort this out. Still, I’m sure the usual lemons will attend. I can name them now.
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Old 22nd Oct 2017, 05:07
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CX treats the Freighter crew like second rate citizens. They block them from seniority bids to the pax fleets, prevent them from their rightful ability to earn the overtime on the pax fleet, and subject them to the worst rostering in the company. So, all that being fact, why on earth would a single one of you attend a manipulative, false, cynical and insincere attempt to 'pat you on the head' and try to convince you that you really are 'valued employees'? Send them the only message they deserve. Your justified contempt. Not a single one of you should attend, and if you do you are only playing into their hands.
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Old 22nd Oct 2017, 05:33
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Well crack on then. I’m not going. That’s two of us. ! How do you suggest we go about it ?
Full page ad in “ the voyager “ ? Slack ? Oh I forgot, that’s been compromised apparently.
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