Dear Anna
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LOL--good wind up.
Ya forgot to put a requirement for law degree with particular emphasis on contractural law, nations of basing laws, and laws of nations/provinces/states of operations and origins of all individuals working for the company.
Can be a real minefield if one doesn't know what one is doing.
Or I guess ya could just fix what is broken and get someone who smiles a lot and makes people happy. Naw, too easy.
Ya forgot to put a requirement for law degree with particular emphasis on contractural law, nations of basing laws, and laws of nations/provinces/states of operations and origins of all individuals working for the company.
Can be a real minefield if one doesn't know what one is doing.
Or I guess ya could just fix what is broken and get someone who smiles a lot and makes people happy. Naw, too easy.
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From: london
Hi Anna,
Just a brief update here from our side. As a courtesy so to say:
Your pilots are closing ranks, and getting organised. In an unprecedented manner ( including trainers).
Your FOP is going to implode, should you proceed with your attack on our livelihoods.
Remember? FOP is the department you are supposed to manage, and not destroy.
NO FOP = NO AIRLINE.
Just google ' Ryanair pilots leaving for Norwegian ', ... well, you'll get the picture, Anna.
There are currently plenty of options out there (one is just across the street) for all of our pilots, of all experience levels.
As an 'amuse bouche', your trainers will start to shut this circus before Xmas.
Think again, Anna.
Just a brief update here from our side. As a courtesy so to say:
Your pilots are closing ranks, and getting organised. In an unprecedented manner ( including trainers).
Your FOP is going to implode, should you proceed with your attack on our livelihoods.
Remember? FOP is the department you are supposed to manage, and not destroy.
NO FOP = NO AIRLINE.
Just google ' Ryanair pilots leaving for Norwegian ', ... well, you'll get the picture, Anna.
There are currently plenty of options out there (one is just across the street) for all of our pilots, of all experience levels.
As an 'amuse bouche', your trainers will start to shut this circus before Xmas.
Think again, Anna.
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There are currently plenty of options out there (one is just across the street)
Err , I hope you don't advocate leaving CX & starting at KA?!
However , it Would be a quicker command and ultimately higher financial rewards over a 20 year career.
Oh , I think you mean HKA, well no chance unless its a SO or JFO. C'mon, CX is a defacto legacy carrier. HKA defacto cheapo
Err , I hope you don't advocate leaving CX & starting at KA?!
However , it Would be a quicker command and ultimately higher financial rewards over a 20 year career.
Oh , I think you mean HKA, well no chance unless its a SO or JFO. C'mon, CX is a defacto legacy carrier. HKA defacto cheapo
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From: dowund
looking at HX crew ad at facebook [ https://www.facebook.com/HKAFOP/ ]. quicker command in 2 years time !
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From: hong kong
Hi Anna,
Just a brief update here from our side. As a courtesy so to say:
Your pilots are closing ranks, and getting organised. In an unprecedented manner ( including trainers).
Your FOP is going to implode, should you proceed with your attack on our livelihoods.
Remember? FOP is the department you are supposed to manage, and not destroy.
NO FOP = NO AIRLINE.
Just google ' Ryanair pilots leaving for Norwegian ', ... well, you'll get the picture, Anna.
There are currently plenty of options out there (one is just across the street) for all of our pilots, of all experience levels.
As an 'amuse bouche', your trainers will start to shut this circus before Xmas.
Think again, Anna.
Just a brief update here from our side. As a courtesy so to say:
Your pilots are closing ranks, and getting organised. In an unprecedented manner ( including trainers).
Your FOP is going to implode, should you proceed with your attack on our livelihoods.
Remember? FOP is the department you are supposed to manage, and not destroy.
NO FOP = NO AIRLINE.
Just google ' Ryanair pilots leaving for Norwegian ', ... well, you'll get the picture, Anna.
There are currently plenty of options out there (one is just across the street) for all of our pilots, of all experience levels.
As an 'amuse bouche', your trainers will start to shut this circus before Xmas.
Think again, Anna.
I dont think the trainers will do squat
They are like hairdressers.
Their grandfathers who fought in world war 2 would be rolling in there graves .
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From: london
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I have long desired to train, not check, but I will never be doing that at CX until we are all on the same contract, pay, and benefits in HK. I would make an exception for bases as long as those based contracts are sufficient to attract my colleagues away from HK (as opposed to only staffing with cheap new hires, aka a notional Asian base outside HK).
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From: In Sin
looking at HX crew ad at facebook [ https://www.facebook.com/HKAFOP/ ]. quicker command in 2 years time !
" New- Direct Entry A350 - Hong Kong Licence holder"
However, No link given. Or should I be looged in to FB?
Its separate to the A350 DEFO rated ad, and therefore would indicate DEC / DEFO to none rated crew?
Some KA A330 guys are pricking up their ears
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From: Polar Route
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Dear Anna
Here is a novel idea and will easily improve the CX/Swire bottom line massively and without spending a penny..
STOP getting Fuc**** sued and spending billions on fines for corruption/price fixing/busting labor/tax laws etc. This will additionally and immediately cut corporate legal fees by about 95% (i.e. 95% of your legal fees are spent trying to defend CX in law suits worldwide)
Just Do It !!
"Time to Win" (court cases)
STOP getting Fuc**** sued and spending billions on fines for corruption/price fixing/busting labor/tax laws etc. This will additionally and immediately cut corporate legal fees by about 95% (i.e. 95% of your legal fees are spent trying to defend CX in law suits worldwide)
Just Do It !!
"Time to Win" (court cases)
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From: Koh Samui Thailand
The company's position is ridiculous and singling out one group to meet the accountants cost cutting even more ridiculous.
An airline needs pilots. Not caterers, check in, bus divers, secretaries, security, accountants, engineers. These can ALL be out sourced but an airline needs pilots.
An airline needs pilots. Not caterers, check in, bus divers, secretaries, security, accountants, engineers. These can ALL be out sourced but an airline needs pilots.
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The company's position is ridiculous and singling out one group to meet the accountants cost cutting even more ridiculous.
An airline needs pilots. Not caterers, check in, bus divers, secretaries, security, accountants, engineers. These can ALL be out sourced but an airline needs pilots.
An airline needs pilots. Not caterers, check in, bus divers, secretaries, security, accountants, engineers. These can ALL be out sourced but an airline needs pilots.
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From: Koh Samui Thailand
Lets be clear
Let's be clear the attack on FOP means "the pilots'. ISD is not part of FOP so the cabin crew are also being excluded from these proposed cuts. The FOP managers have already been promised their packages will remain intact. The question is why ?
Well, if you were CX management you would tackle the poorest represented, most fragmented, least well informed and most career minded group you could find. Answer pilots.
This year it will be CX pilots and next year CX based pilots and then KA pilots.
They will not take on the FAU who immediately threaten to stop work and this is a lesson the HKAOA refuses to learn. Negotiations require a mutual respect for each others position. The company has ZERO respect for the amateurs in the AOA and consequently will walk all over them and us.
Well, if you were CX management you would tackle the poorest represented, most fragmented, least well informed and most career minded group you could find. Answer pilots.
This year it will be CX pilots and next year CX based pilots and then KA pilots.
They will not take on the FAU who immediately threaten to stop work and this is a lesson the HKAOA refuses to learn. Negotiations require a mutual respect for each others position. The company has ZERO respect for the amateurs in the AOA and consequently will walk all over them and us.
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From: Australia
The company's position is ridiculous and singling out one group to meet the accountants cost cutting even more ridiculous.
An airline needs pilots. Not caterers, check in, bus divers, secretaries, security, accountants, engineers. These can ALL be out sourced but an airline needs pilots.
An airline needs pilots. Not caterers, check in, bus divers, secretaries, security, accountants, engineers. These can ALL be out sourced but an airline needs pilots.
Sorry spanners he doesn't speak for the majority of us.
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Every airline is a reflection of the place it originates from.
For many, Donkey Kong has turned into an unsustainable, unaffordable and toxic city.
A place, which is run by a small, corrupt, cleptocratic and incompetent 'elite'.
Now, you do your maths about its future, (and your own) in this dying city (airline).
For many, Donkey Kong has turned into an unsustainable, unaffordable and toxic city.
A place, which is run by a small, corrupt, cleptocratic and incompetent 'elite'.
Now, you do your maths about its future, (and your own) in this dying city (airline).
