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Old 9th Sep 2017, 03:54
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Dear Anna

Dear Anna,

your pilots have built the reputation as the worlds safest airline over the past decades.

That's why the traveling public is (still) willing to pay a premium on our airfares.

The 'crisis' we are facing is self-fabricated, and a result of running CX as a hedge-fund for commodities.

Your attack on our livelihoods and families will be answered with an unprecedented show of strength and unity.

We built this airline, and we will take it down with us, if we have to.

The true managers of this airline are the pilots. Not your lot of mediocre and greedy accountants, who know the cost of everything but the value of nothing.

You will find this out shortly.

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Old 9th Sep 2017, 16:39
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Amen Fuanna. Could not agree more. To my colleagues: resolve to resist and attack to reinforce the future value of your careers. Otherwise you will have nothing left to defend.
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Old 9th Sep 2017, 17:06
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As an outsider , I agree whole heartedly with the above posters sentiments . Its stirring.
However , with regards

"Your attack on our livelihoods and families will be answered with an unprecedented show of strength and unity."

There is absolutely no chance in hell this will ever happen .

Now please go and pi$$ in your collective ex pat holes, and take a hike from your mummy milk Co.

HKA will rule. LOL.
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Old 9th Sep 2017, 17:35
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This clown again.
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Old 9th Sep 2017, 23:58
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it's interesting to see how bitter he is at being turned down at CX.....but at least we dodged the bullet of having to work with him.
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Old 10th Sep 2017, 03:19
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Dear Anna,

the next level of resistance will be a mass resignation of your few remaining trainers.

This step has been prepared and carefully orchestrated behind the scenes for quite some time.

The VAST majority of us trainers supports this step to protect our profession and livelihoods.

Your 2018 Airbus deliveries will find a cosy parking spot somewhere in the desert.

Enough is enough, Anna.
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Old 10th Sep 2017, 03:36
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A370 are you high or what ? Not too much psychometric testing when entering the airline in this region we can clearly see
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Old 10th Sep 2017, 03:53
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Don't shoot the messenger. Anna is saying the same, just with more eloquence lol.

So, Traf, please enlighten us all. When are you going to resign from training in protest at the forthcoming cuts in TnC's? Hmmmm I though so, lol.
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Old 10th Sep 2017, 03:55
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Do try to keep up, a370.
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Old 10th Sep 2017, 04:11
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Have you not read all the other posts today??

Or are you eager to prove you're always...a day late...and a dollar short.
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Old 10th Sep 2017, 12:13
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Anna, please read this.
Don't discount it, it's not a trick or a ploy.
This is the reality you're facing.
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Old 10th Sep 2017, 13:21
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Cpt. Underpants,

You're not getting it.
Anna doesn't care if CX is here in 12 months or not. Her Swire survival and promotion is based on gaining concessions from flight crew. That's what her KPI is based on.
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Old 10th Sep 2017, 15:02
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And that's what is most important. She works for Swire and when this Airline is gone, she'll still be working for Swire.
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Old 10th Sep 2017, 15:39
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And that's what is most important. She works for Swire and when this Airline is gone, she'll still be working for Swire.
So what is most important.. is we get rid of her.

Thru whatever means.
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Old 11th Sep 2017, 01:28
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Meanwhile, Last year the DPA put forward a motion of a pay freeze to its members. The membership that voted, overwhelmingly accepted the motion, with a caveat that the agreement would be for one year.

Since then, the former GM has left the company, so there's a new Boss to negotiate with. The company are now indicating they want 2 further years of pay freeze from the DPA, to be reviewed in 2020.

Some concessions for local
Employees are expected but zero for the senior B scale pilots.

The decline in pay for the KA pilot group is around 4% compounded over 3 years. Or 5 if you take into account the 2% pay adjustments in 2015/2016.

The company continues to attract qualified , experienced pilots from mainly europe. Command progression is quick , presuming you can jump through the hoops. But theres the pitfall. The new joining pilot may be experienced , but not necessarily be a fit for the esotericism of the KA way when it comes to command.
Interesting times ahead.
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Old 11th Sep 2017, 04:48
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Many of these guys come here expecting the command - it's the only way they can survive on the package. If they don't hack it, many leave.
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Old 11th Sep 2017, 05:54
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As long as everyone is actually on the same page with regards to what a salary increase actually is. Inflation corrections on your salary are not salary increases. They are compensation for the constant devaluation of money over time. Not compensating for inflation would be a pay cut, not a pay "freeze" as is being suggested. I expect the DPA will be hammering this With whomever they will be negotiating.

With regards to these productivity gains I keep reading about it's fairly simple: Gain them by increasing efficiency. We still have a lot to gain there if we do 170 duty hours for 75 block hours and 30 to 40 sectors.

Looks pretty straight forward from where I sit.
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Old 12th Sep 2017, 13:59
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Published on: Tuesday, September, 12, 2017, 03:27 PM
By: AeroTime staff Image :Ralf Manteufel
The bankrupt German carrier Air Berlin has canceled more than 110 flights on September 12. A representative of the airline confirmed that the company is “currently seeing an exceptionally high number of sickness reports of pilots”. The exact number was not specified to AeroTime but the company had previously stated to Deutsche Welle that around 200 of the 1500 pilots employed by the carrier had called in sick for the day.

With around 110 flights canceled, passengers are being requested to check whether their flight was affected or not on the airline’s website. So far, there is information about Berlin, Dusseldorf, Cologne, and Hamburg being among the cities affected by the cancellations.

“Passengers holding tickets for canceled flights will be offered other travel options,” an Air Berlin spokesperson answered AeroTime’s inquiry. “Affected passengers are kindly asked not to come to the airport and to call the Air Berlin Service Center.”

Speculations about this incident being a form of protest have surfaced in Bild, Germany’s top tabloid newspaper. The situation does, in fact, remind of similar cancellations affecting TUIfly flights a year earlier. Back then, pilots’ calling in sick was the quoted reason of mass absence as well.

According to the official statement published on the website of Vereinigung Cockpit, the professional union representing German pilots, the union did not receive any information regarding pilots that had fallen ill.

“VC points out to all the flight crew it represents that they must fulfill their obligations under the employment contract, provided there is acute illness,” the official statement says.

Vereinigung Cockpit was not available for immediate comment.

Marius Stonkus, CEO of – a company fighting for passengers’ rights to a compensation – told AeroTime that crew sickness might not necessarily fall under the definition of force majeure.

“That’s a very unpleasant situation for all the passengers concerned,” Marius Stonkus told AeroTime. “I’m pretty sure there are going to appear some losses for passengers due to ruined plans. And to cover up those they can claim for compensation up to 600 EUR per passenger. It won’t be easy because most certainly airline will reject claims by saying crew sickness falls under “extraordinary circumstances” list”.

The wave of cancellations is unrelated to the simultaneous cancellations of another 100 or so Ryanair flights to Southern Europe from the Irish carrier’s main UK base – Stansted. Delays and cancellations, in this case, have been caused by an air traffic controllers’ strike in France.
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Old 12th Sep 2017, 14:47
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Dear Anna...........
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Old 12th Sep 2017, 16:44
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I know one pilot who just hit his 30 year mark. Not a single word of acknowledgement....not even from the fleet office. Disgraceful is the only word.
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